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Ohhhh, now NPR is a junk source? Very interesting. You've already proven yourself to be one of the most dogmatic and unreasonable people here so it's not entirely surprising.
the NPR article is from February, and is more headline than content that would cause concern.
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You keep lying about this. Do you have any shame at all?
How many times does this need to be repeated? Both unvaccinated populations & vaccinated populations will spawn variants. Unvaccinated population variants are downgrades: more contagious but less deadly. Vaccinated population variants are upgrades: more contagious & more deadly.
You won't take the time to read evidence-based science anyway (maybe they are too "hard"?) but here you go:
"Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens"
Let me know when you are done with those & I can give you more. Vaccine-driven virulence is a "thing", known about for decades & has happened with other vaccines, since we had vaccines.
Of course, as you know, none of the above is related to Covid. And you are posting papers about chickens again. From your first reference:
"It is usually assumed that the primary force preventing the evolutionary emergence of more virulent strains is that they kill their hosts and, therefore, truncate their own infectious periods. If so, keeping hosts alive with vaccines that reduce disease but do not prevent infection, replication, and transmission (so-called “imperfect” vaccines) could allow more virulent strains to circulate."
So, yeah, if the strain quickly kills the host, transmission is greatly reduced. Do I need to say anything more? Lol.
This effect doesn't seem likely to happen with SARS-CoV-2 though. Most people who die from COVID-19 are quite far along - 14 days or more from symptom onset. Peak infectivity is about 4 days after infection, just before symptom onset, and then declines quickly. So the mortality rate isn't going to exert much selective pressure for this virus, because the people who died would have already transmitted the virus long before.
The effect with sars-cov2 hasn't had a chance to happen yet, because the majority of the population have only been "fully vaxxed" for a few months. The changes come from natural selection/evolution & don't happen overnight. They are in the process of this right now. Beware October.
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Of course, as you know, none of the above is related to Covid. And you are posting papers about chickens again. From your first reference:
"It is usually assumed that the primary force preventing the evolutionary emergence of more virulent strains is that they kill their hosts and, therefore, truncate their own infectious periods. If so, keeping hosts alive with vaccines that reduce disease but do not prevent infection, replication, and transmission (so-called “imperfect” vaccines) could allow more virulent strains to circulate."
So, yeah, if the strain quickly kills the host, transmission is greatly reduced. Do I need to say anything more? Lol.
I posted links regarding the pertussis vaccine, malaria vaccines, vaccine driven evolution in general & the "chicken vaccine" is actually regarding a Herpesvirus, of which multiple strains can, will & do; infect humans. This blatant disregard for science you have, in preference for a media narrative; is appalling.
The effect with sars-cov2 hasn't had a chance to happen yet, because the majority of the population have only been "fully vaxxed" for a few months. The changes come from natural selection/evolution & don't happen overnight. They are in the process of this right now. Beware October.
I posted links regarding the pertussis vaccine, malaria vaccines, vaccine driven evolution in general & the "chicken vaccine" is actually regarding a Herpesvirus, of which multiple strains can, will & do; infect humans. This blatant disregard for science you have, in preference for a media narrative; is appalling.
Sorry, I prefer to keep the host alive even if that increases the potential for transmission.
The effect with sars-cov2 hasn't had a chance to happen yet, because the majority of the population have only been "fully vaxxed" for a few months. The changes come from natural selection/evolution & don't happen overnight. They are in the process of this right now. Beware October.
Selection doesn't happen if there is nothing that reduces reproduction. A person that dies from covid would have already passed the virus on during an earlier phase of their illness. Peak infectivity is just before symptom onset.
And that is with 60% vaccinated and who knows how many with natural immunity.
And people don't think the vaccinated are spreading this ?
Not only are they spreading it there virus is communicating with other people who are vaccinated and also hosting the virus and they are the ones that are going to create the most deadly strain of this. I guarantee it. And many scientist also agree with it. They try to speak out about this but they’re silenced.
You assume the 100% risk of exposure to a quantity greater than zero of harmful substances, yes, including covid, the second you step out of your door. Someone that vulnerable needs more protective measures to safeguard their health in normal times. It's on them to reduce that risk to what they deem to be an acceptable level, especially since medical history is privileged and no one is required to disclose that history to anyone.
Your unreasonable pursuit of zero covid will only occur when you seal your head in saran wrap and cease breathing. I can't guarantee you'll be among the living for very long though.
It is unreasonable to expect people with immune compromised conditions to sacrifice everything so that you can get away sacrificing absolutely nothing. When you live in a society, you have to have some balance. And wanting a reduced risk is not the same as your strawman demand of zero risk, which is not what anyone here is asking for.
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