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Old 08-31-2021, 07:56 AM
 
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Flu vaccine is very ineffective, just like the covid vaccine. https://www.cochrane.org/news/featur...uenza-vaccines
And it works. That's the part you fail to grasp. Limits the spread and keeps symptoms milder if infection happens.

 
Old 08-31-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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Just curious....

How many people (or what % of people) have contracted Covid but not had any symptoms?
Do we even have any idea of the number?
Have any studies been done to find out?

This seems like it would be an important thing to figure out.
It’s also estimated that 20% to 50% had pre existing immunity. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563
 
Old 08-31-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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And it works. That's the part you fail to grasp. Limits the spread and keeps symptoms milder if infection happens.
Not really. Read the links.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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I have looked at the data many times before and there is nothing that is fraudulent. Here is one data point for 8 states and 250 hospitals again showing hospitalizations mostly among the unvaccinated. See anything fraudulent here?


For June 27 - July 24, hospitalization rates were ≥10 times higher in unvaccinated persons compared with vaccinated persons for all age groups across all weeks.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.21262356v1
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Results: From January 1 - June 30, 2021, fully vaccinated cases increased from 1 (0.01%) to 321 (16.1%) per month. Among 4,732 sampled cases, fully vaccinated persons admitted with COVID-19 were older compared with unvaccinated persons (median age 73 years [Interquartile Range (IQR) 65-80] v. 59 years [IQR 48-70]; p<0.001), more likely to have 3 or more underlying medical conditions (201 (70.8%) v. 2,305 (56.1%), respectively; p<0.001) and be residents of long-term care facilities [37 (14.5%) v. 146 (5.5%), respectively; p<0.001].
> 65 are about 3x more likely to be hospitalized than 18-49 (and 14x more than <18) for the latest week info is available.

And it has ALWAYS been that way.

yet here we are continuing with our shotgun, one-size-fits-all approach.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:33 AM
 
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Or take Ivermectin. Good enough for horses so good enough for humans. 99% proven to keep the COVID away and safer than drinking water.
It's apparently on the WHO list of essential medicines. So, it seems some humans somewhere are taking it.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:37 AM
 
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People who have gotten the vaccine are being hospitalized and some are dying. The vaccine might help your chances but to claim that vaccinated people don't get seriously ill, hospitalized or die is false.

40% of those hospitalized in the UK were fully vaccinated, 60% in Israel were fully vaccinated.
and they're mostly old.

87% of those 60% in Israel were > 60 years old. I don't recall if they broke out the other 40% into age groups, but we can reasonably assume it's close to half or more.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:39 AM
 
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“Fully tested vaccine” that is a stretch. This vaccine isn’t even close to 100% effective. At best it is partially effective for a very short period of time.
if you're old.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:58 AM
 
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You said yourself in the first post that the vast majority of hospitalalized COVID patients are unvaccinated.


You HAVE been vaccinated.


If you trust the vaccine, and you believe the stats about hospitalizations, then it is time to go out and live life. You can wear a mask, which if you have health concerns is probably not a bad idea even in normal times.
That makes no sense. I think it's irresponsible if not evil to encourage an elderly person, particularly one with health issues to begin with, to "get out there." Or shame them by insisting they're being cowardly.

There were 75 COVID hospitalizations FRIDAY, in just one day, in my town. Surely caution is in order here. No amount of bravado or attempts at logical-sounding semantics will affect this virus in the slightest.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 09:09 AM
 
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Not really. Read the links.
Flu vaccines work to prevent large scale outbreaks. It's not a difficult concept to understand. School flu "vacations" were common in the past, not anymore.

Your argument about the vaccines is essentially the same as that of the anti-maskers. "No mask is 100%, hence masks don't work at all and should not be used".
 
Old 08-31-2021, 09:16 AM
 
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Flu vaccines work to prevent large scale outbreaks. It's not a difficult concept to understand. School flu "vacations" were common in the past, not anymore.

Your argument about the vaccines is essentially the same as that of the anti-maskers. "No mask is 100%, hence masks don't work at all and should not be used".

No. "should not be MANDATED".
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