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Old 03-02-2020, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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Smedley Butler was a very brave soldier.

-He won 16 medals, 5 for valor.

-Just 1 of 19 people to have won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice.

-Only person to win the Marine Corps Brevet medal and a Medal of Honor for two separate actions.

-Was punished for speaking out against fascist leaders in the 1930s.

-Is one of the youngest major generals.

-Was known for being compassionate to the men under his watch.

-Served the US in over half a dozen countries.

-Ran as a limited government Republican candidate for the US Senate in 1932.


He is most famous for writing "War is a Racket" where he argued that the US is too imperialistic and war-like and these policies are pushed forward by those who profit off of war, but never pick up the rifle.

Although he died in 1940, I think his words still ring true to this very day. We are too involved militarily around the globe.

https://www.americanswhotellthetruth...smedley-butler
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Old 03-02-2020, 01:08 PM
 
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but how would he have felt about it after WW2?
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Old 03-02-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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it is said he was stationed with Hoover i think in the Philippines and when those on power wanted to just disown him he threatened to tell on the cowardice he saw from certain politicians and he was spared from further punishment for speaking out...


WW2 could fill volumes (it has lol) the BIG mistake was no occupation of Germany allowing them to perpetrate the backstabber line of their history..its no coincidence that Allen Dulles was in on the writing of the ww1 treaty and McCoy

sat in Hitlers box at the 1936 olympics
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Old 03-02-2020, 06:07 PM
 
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but how would he have felt about it after WW2?
The same, obviously.
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Old 03-02-2020, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Butler is known as a reformed hero after seeing the follies of statism/imperailism firsthand.

I highly recommend his book War is a Racket. I'm pretty sure there are various free audio books of it floating around. Might even be on YouTube.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:28 PM
 
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Butler is known as a reformed hero after seeing the follies of statism/imperailism firsthand.

I highly recommend his book [i]War is a Racket[/I]. I'm pretty sure there are various free audio books of it floating around. Might even be on YouTube.
Same here.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:45 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Major General Smedley Butler is Right!
The good general learned his attitudes during the time of The Philippine War and during WW1.
He may have changed his mind if he had liberated a death camp during WW2.
He may have changed his mind back if he had served in the Mekong Delta in 1968.


There is no one attitude that applies to all wars. Some are rackets; some are necessary.
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:45 PM
 
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but how would he have felt about it after WW2?
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The good general learned his attitudes during the time of The Philippine War and during WW1.
He may have changed his mind if he had liberated a death camp during WW2.
He may have changed his mind back if he had served in the Mekong Delta in 1968.


There is no one attitude that applies to all wars. Some are rackets; some are necessary.
And if he lived for much much longer into present time, and see what happens in Gaza, and West Bank and the US/Israel dynamic, he realize his original conclusion still stands.
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Old 03-02-2020, 11:18 PM
 
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but how would he have felt about it after WW2?
That’s a good question. However, WW2, although a necessary fight for us, was STILL the beginning of war and the Military Industrial Complex becoming a completely out of control racket. We at least had some control over it before 1941. Since 1941, it’s been nothing but a bloodsucker of our treasury and has conspired to rob the treasury of funds that are needed far moreso elsewhere. WW2 is the mother of today’s 700 Billion dollar per year defense expenditure, and Americans should be ashamed of it.

But they aren’t. Many if not most think we should be spending even more. SMH
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:26 AM
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but how would he have felt about it after WW2


I totally agree, WW2 was one of those wars that was justfied.

The Soviets were also very difficlt to deal with, and the Cold War was the nearest the world came to destroting itself.

Vietnam was a strange war for the US to get involved in, and Sanders is actually right on that one, in terms of it being a terrible decision.

As for the Middle East a lot of meddling has just made things worse.
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