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Old 03-02-2020, 09:35 PM
 
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you asked why we cant relax with a joint. but we can with a drink.....

the answer is that in 1937, the democrats made it illegal...and democrats have been keeping it so since

George Washington brew hemp / cannabis... as did Jefferson..... yet FDR made it illegal
I can pretty much be reading this while walking out of a dispensary in democratic California..
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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you asked why we cant relax with a joint. but we can with a drink.....

the answer is that in 1937, the democrats made it illegal...and democrats have been keeping it so since

George Washington brew hemp / cannabis... as did Jefferson..... yet FDR made it illegal
And Trump is committed to keeping it illegal and McConnell is committed to blocking any effort by the Democratic House to legalize it.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:36 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I smoked it before it was legal. The laws can cram it. Though it's changed now. Weird how it felt just a few years ago vs now.
Same as how it still feels in a red state.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:38 PM
 
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Hilarious stoners don't think it's addictive. I had a GF that couldn't leave the house without toking. 6 am or 6 pm.
Maybe your GF had anxiety or social issues which pot helped her deal with. Nothing wrong with that. Pot is no more an addiction than food or alcohol. It all depends on the person.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Because our sense of right and wrong isn't determined by outcomes and consequences.

Ethics scholars went down that route in the past century, leading to the trainwreck of normative ethics we call utilitarianism.

Bottom line is, you know intuitively that cannabis smoking is wrong, and that rationalizing it by reducing it to its health outcomes is also wrong. Unless you face up to your addictions, you'll never escape harassment through self-conviction.
You don't know it intuitively. If you think it is wrong, you were taught that. Just like a toddler doesn't know intuitively that a hot stove will burn him. He has to be taught.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:56 PM
 
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Coffee is my addiction.

I. An drink 3-4 cups (not all in one sitting).
But I find myself having a coffee at night TO RELAX...

Ya, Im all effed up with caffeine.

Better than alcohol I guess. That’s for the weekends...
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:01 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
you asked why we cant relax with a joint. but we can with a drink.....

the answer is that in 1937, the democrats made it illegal...and democrats have been keeping it so since

George Washington brew hemp / cannabis... as did Jefferson..... yet FDR made it illegal
You are ignoring that old laws banning marijuana were on the cutting block until Nixon did the worst thing possible for Marijuana. He singed a permanent ban placing it on schedule 1 despite his very own commission, Shafer commission, recommendation that it should be decriminalized.

Placing it on schedule 1 prevented any further private scientific study on Marijuana because it made it near impossible to obtain.

If it werent for him, it would most likely be legal now.
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:05 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Because our sense of right and wrong isn't determined by outcomes and consequences.

Ethics scholars went down that route in the past century, leading to the trainwreck of normative ethics we call utilitarianism.

Bottom line is, you know intuitively that cannabis smoking is wrong, and that rationalizing it by reducing it to its health outcomes is also wrong. Unless you face up to your addictions, you'll never escape harassment through self-conviction.

Summary... This poster determines right from wrong.. At least in their world.
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:08 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Coffee is my addiction.

I. An drink 3-4 cups (not all in one sitting).
But I find myself having a coffee at night TO RELAX...

Ya, Im all effed up with caffeine.

Better than alcohol I guess. That’s for the weekends...
Same here... About 3 to 5 cups during the day. But Yeh... It is socially acceptable because it's perception that it promotes productivity. A lot of office spaces even provide it to their workers free of charge.
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:11 PM
 
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You don't know it intuitively. If you think it is wrong, you were taught that. Just like a toddler doesn't know intuitively that a hot stove will burn him. He has to be taught.
A toddler can be taught to count from 1 to 10.

The numbers 1 to 10 are also knowable intuitively. In other words, if a child were not to be taught to count, he/she would go on to have an intuitive awareness of quantities or numbers in some sense, even though he/she may not give it the same labels we do.

The same holds true for moral truths as it does for the set of natural numbers and mathematical truths.

These are what we refer to as rationally intuitive truths, which are different to observational truths (such as a stove being hot).
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