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We don't know how many mild cases have occurred where the person did not go to a hospital to get tested. As with most viruses, there are severe cases, and there are mild cases. People with only mild symptoms likely will think they just have the flu or something, and opt for bed rest at home. These people are obviously not counted, which skews the mortality rate higher.
That’s also true of the flu but even so the mortality rate for this appears to be headed towards one hundred times greater on the low end. China has taken much more extreme measures and still have high mortality rates. The other part is people walking around for weeks not even showing symptoms, this is different than the flu.
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That’s also true of the flu but even so the mortality rate for this appears to be headed towards one hundred times greater on the low end. China has taken much more extreme measures and still have high mortality rates. The other part is people walking around for weeks not even showing symptoms, this is different than the flu.
What do you want? Go get a flu shot if you think it will protect you from the coronavirus.
It won't. They are two entirely different viruses.
But if you are age 15 or younger and catch Covid-19, you probably won't die. It will be like the common cold, another coronavirus.
It's only lethal, for some as yet unknown reason, to those who are older.
Now is that ridiculous? Yup. Aren't children always the first to die? Isn't that why we vaccinate babies?
Call it ridiculous, but if you're older than 15 and catch this disease, your life will depend on factors no one knows much about.
If you are past 60 or unhealthy in any way, you could die in 3 weeks or less. If you are really healthy, it's a crap shoot. You might live or die.
But if you live, no one knows yet if the virus has any after-effects, so you might not live for very long.
Isn't that a ridiculous thought? That you could survive but die a year later from it?
Yup. Sure is.
But that's how some viruses are. They don't know they're being ridiculous.
Honestly, this virus really is ridiculous and not in the way that the OP suggests. Cases of a fully-contagious incubation period that can last anywhere from 2 to 27 days, with outlier unproven cases running up to 42 days. If that were the only bit of ridiculousness about this nasty little bug, it'd be enough ... but there more. This thing is airborne. Not quite to the level of measles but much more so than the common cold or seasonal flu. And the droplets are tiny enough that it can go right through the much sought after N95 masks. An infected person coughing can infect people on the other side of the room, around corners, etc. But wait, there's more! Covid-19 virus can survive outside of a host on surfaces for 9 days in typical circumstances and 19 days in ideal circumstances. You can get your yearly flu shot. We have no treatment for this coronavirus. Humans have no natural immunity. We have no idea whether recovered patients can be easily re-infected. And this little bug is really tricky to detect. Sure the CDC blew it, but even if they hadn't, test kits worldwide are notoriously terrible at detecting the coronavirus. They routinely test negative three or four times on the same isolated patient, only for them to test positive on the fourth or fifth try. And it's so early in the game that the death rate on this thing is purely a best educated guess. Somewhere between 1% and 10% and it seems to vary tremendously from one nation to another.
What annoys me is that this seems to be turning into a partisan issue. What the hell has your politics got to do with the realities of a pandemic?
The deniers will become panicked because they didn't prepare, both democrats and republicans. The virus is not a political football. We have the example of China closing down millions of people and damaging their own economy. TRump supporters , don't make this a political football. YOu will lose .. this virus is spreading daily.
70 people from that health care facility are showing symptoms.. those 70 were in contact with their own families, and others.. this is a very contagious virus not flu. It leaves the lungs damaged. Learn more about it . Don't let Fox News take away your common sense of what is real.
Trump and Pence are working their butt off trying to contain it.they both know it is bad.. Trump can't save the stock market. . Saying this is just the flu..no...don't take the stance that Fox news is feeding the Trump supporters.. a bad mistake.
The deniers will become panicked because they didn't prepare, both democrats and republicans. The virus is not a political football. We have the example of China closing down millions of people and damaging their own economy. TRump supporters , don't make this a political football. YOu will lose .. this virus is spreading daily.
70 people from that health care facility are showing symptoms.. those 70 were in contact with their own families, and others.. this is a very contagious virus not flu. It leaves the lungs damaged. Learn more about it . Don't let Fox News take away your common sense of what is real.
Trump and Pence are working their butt off trying to contain it.they both know it is bad.. Trump can't save the stock market. . Saying this is just the flu..no...don't take the stance that Fox news is feeding the Trump supporters.. a bad mistake.
All good points, but as I've pointed out repeatedly, a pandemic does not necessarily result in total economic collapse. The last really nasty pandemic was the Spanish Flu 100 years ago. It killed somewhere between 50 and 100 million people worldwide from 1918 to 1919. So what happened right after that economically? The roaring 20's -- the single biggest economic boom the United States had ever seen up to that point. What about the worst pandemic in human history, the Black Plague? It killed roughly 1/3 of the population everywhere it spread. This created a shortage of peasants and poor working class people, which allowed them to demand better pay, better treatment, better everything. The Black Death effectively broke of Feudalism and got the ball rolling for the world to transition into the free market economies we have today. It did take awhile. Powerful ruling people hate it when the powerless become powerful.
Short version: Pandemics might be terrible things, but they are often followed by a lot of good things. Sometimes there's a direct cause and effect relationship. Sometimes there isn't. But Pandemic =/= Economic Collapse.
One would hope that the biggest takeaway from this mess is that we can't outsource the manufacture of such critical items as medical supplies and prescriptions to China. We should seriously ask ourselves whether outsourcing anything to China is a wise decision. If we lose the ability to make something entirely in the USA, we're setting ourselves up for a world of hurt. And despite his many flaws and failings, Donald Trump has actually been banging on that drum for many many years now. This nasty little virus is proving him right about all of that. If this pandemic mess pushes the manufacture of many thousands of items back to the United States, this might hurt the Chinese economy, but it absolutely helps ours in the long run. But I do wish he'd be a little less flippant about Covid-19.
All good points, but as I've pointed out repeatedly, a pandemic does not necessarily result in total economic collapse. The last really nasty pandemic was the Spanish Flu 100 years ago. It killed somewhere between 50 and 100 million people worldwide from 1918 to 1919. So what happened right after that economically? The roaring 20's -- the single biggest economic boom the United States had ever seen up to that point. What about the worst pandemic in human history, the Black Plague? It killed roughly 1/3 of the population everywhere it spread. This created a shortage of peasants and poor working class people, which allowed them to demand better pay, better treatment, better everything. The Black Death effectively broke of Feudalism and got the ball rolling for the world to transition into the free market economies we have today. It did take awhile. Powerful ruling people hate it when the powerless become powerful.
Short version: Pandemics might be terrible things, but they are often followed by a lot of good things. Sometimes there's a direct cause and effect relationship. Sometimes there isn't. But Pandemic =/= Economic Collapse.
Great points. So far this virus has not killed anyone under 60 years of age in the US. Even if it spreads massively but maintains the characteristic of killing primarily the elderly, we should see the benefits of lower demand for healthcare with lower healthcare costs and longer solvency of the Social Security Fund.
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
One would hope that the biggest takeaway from this mess is that we can't outsource the manufacture of such critical items as medical supplies and prescriptions to China. We should seriously ask ourselves whether outsourcing anything to China is a wise decision. If we lose the ability to make something entirely in the USA, we're setting ourselves up for a world of hurt. And despite his many flaws and failings, Donald Trump has actually been banging on that drum for many many years now. This nasty little virus is proving him right about all of that. If this pandemic mess pushes the manufacture of many thousands of items back to the United States, this might hurt the Chinese economy, but it absolutely helps ours in the long run. But I do wish he'd be a little less flippant about Covid-19.
I would love the see this happen too. Our government should not have allowed things to progress to the point where we are fully dependent on China for manufactured goods. Trump for all is faults is the only American leader of my lifetime who has stood up to the Chinese government and for that he has my vote this year regardless of what transpires over the next 6 months until the election.
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Trolls are masterful at re-directing the narrative away from a damaging topic?
so what is your point? Political maybe?
