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Old 03-09-2020, 01:42 PM
 
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Here are the US numbers:

To calculate the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (pH1N1) in the United States, we extrapolated from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Emerging Infections Program laboratory-confirmed hospitalizations across the entire United States, and then corrected for underreporting. From 12 April 2009 to 10 April 2010, we estimate that approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. Eighty-seven percent of deaths occurred in those under 65 years of age with children and working adults having risks of hospitalization and death 4 to 7 times and 8 to 12 times greater, respectively, than estimates of impact due to seasonal influenza covering the years 1976-2001. In our study, adults 65 years of age or older were found to have rates of hospitalization and death that were up to 75% and 81%, respectively, lower than seasonal influenza. These results confirm the necessity of a concerted public health response to pH1N1.

Can anyone tell me why Obama was never blamed?

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Old 03-09-2020, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I see the “whataboutism” has already begun...
 
Old 03-09-2020, 02:34 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The 2009 H1N1 virus was first identified in the Spring of 2009. The Secretary of Health and Human Services declared a public health emergency on April 2019. This was renewed twice. By October, Obama had declared it a national emergency.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...nza-pandemic-0

I think at the time the economy was still recovering from the 2008 crash and recession.
 
Old 03-09-2020, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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There wasn’t a TDS pandemic in the Obama years.
 
Old 03-09-2020, 05:34 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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It’s because of the Leftist media. They have never given Obama bad publicity but on the flip side, has tried to do everything it can to badmouth and smear Trump.
 
Old 03-09-2020, 07:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
Here are the US numbers:

To calculate the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (pH1N1) in the United States, we extrapolated from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Emerging Infections Program laboratory-confirmed hospitalizations across the entire United States, and then corrected for underreporting. From 12 April 2009 to 10 April 2010, we estimate that approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. Eighty-seven percent of deaths occurred in those under 65 years of age with children and working adults having risks of hospitalization and death 4 to 7 times and 8 to 12 times greater, respectively, than estimates of impact due to seasonal influenza covering the years 1976-2001. In our study, adults 65 years of age or older were found to have rates of hospitalization and death that were up to 75% and 81%, respectively, lower than seasonal influenza. These results confirm the necessity of a concerted public health response to pH1N1.

Can anyone tell me why Obama was never blamed?
Did people feel that Obama had lagged, been lax with the response, contradicted scientists, and made false claims to the public? Probably not.
 
Old 03-10-2020, 12:54 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
Here are the US numbers:

To calculate the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (pH1N1) in the United States, we extrapolated from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Emerging Infections Program laboratory-confirmed hospitalizations across the entire United States, and then corrected for underreporting. From 12 April 2009 to 10 April 2010, we estimate that approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. Eighty-seven percent of deaths occurred in those under 65 years of age with children and working adults having risks of hospitalization and death 4 to 7 times and 8 to 12 times greater, respectively, than estimates of impact due to seasonal influenza covering the years 1976-2001. In our study, adults 65 years of age or older were found to have rates of hospitalization and death that were up to 75% and 81%, respectively, lower than seasonal influenza. These results confirm the necessity of a concerted public health response to pH1N1.

Can anyone tell me why Obama was never blamed?
First of all, you need to provide a link for your paragraph of medical jargon randomly copied from who knows where. Throwing out a bunch of numbers which may or may not be valid and giving absolutely no context for the statistics cited results in a word salad that has about as much validity as Lewis Carroll's "Jabberwocky."

Given the above, your question about blaming Obama is at best disingenuous and at worst, a pathetic attempt to do a massive CYA job for Trump and the Republican party. As a Republican, you know exactly why the Obama administration was somewhat hampered in its response to the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. The Republican Congress was reluctant to fund medical research at the NIH and other US sponsored scientific agencies. Even so, the National Institutes of Health was ultimately funded to the tune of $30.1 billion (part of this sum was awarded by the Republican Congress as part of the recovery stimulus package).

Here's a press release that the Centers for Disease Control put out back in 2009:

Quote:
Although the overall health impact of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic was lower than that of the 3 prior pandemics, substantial numbers of hospitalizations and deaths occurred, especially among younger adults and children. The 2009 H1N1 pandemic highlighted again the wide range of epidemiologic pictures possible during influenza pandemics and the need for strong influenza surveillance systems, laboratory capacity for influenza diagnosis, and rapid risk assessment to respond most effectively to an emerging threat. Field and epidemiologic investigations helped answer the critical epidemiologic questions posed at the start of the pandemic, and the lessons learned from these investigations can be used to help the nation and world prepare for future influenza pandemics, no matter the severity, as well as outbreaks of other pathogens—both naturally occurring and bioterrorism-associated.

NIH-funded biomedical research has played a critical role in improving the physical and mental health of Americans, which in turn has yielded significant societal economic benefits. The agency’s myriad successes—both in developing its own in-house research advancements and also spurring innovation and economic activity in the private sector—have engendered consistent levels of bipartisan support that have resulted in steadily increasing funding throughout the latter half of the 20th century. This federal funding has turned NIH into the cornerstone of an American biomedical research sector that leads the world in investment and innovation.
Obama managed to get the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institute for Health and other governmental scientific and medical research agencies funded to the extent that they were able to do their jobs and sharply curtail the spread of H1N1 in the US. Now before any of you starts with your foolish whining about "throwing money" at a PANDEMIC for Christ's sake, please explain to me how a church bake sale or a donation of $10.00 here or $5.00 there is going to amount enough money to fund the required medical research and testing to defeat a foe that has killed millions of people just since the turn of the 20th century alone.

Now, what is Donald Trump doing about the Corona virus other than complaining that the falling stock market might negatively impact his chances for re-election?

Quote:
The budget proposed by United States President Donald Trump calls for “massive cuts” to spending on medical and scientific research, public health and disease-prevention programs, and health insurance for low-income Americans and their children. It has drawn intense criticism from many corners, including scientists, physicians and politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties. The only good thing about this “horror” of a budget, according to one pundit, is that it will likely get “eviscerated in Congress.”

Under the proposed budget, formally delivered to Congress yesterday, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) would see its annual budget shrink 18% from $31.8 billion to $26 billion. This includes cuts to the National Cancer Institute ($1 billion), National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute ($575 million), and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases ($838 million).

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) would lose 17% of its budget, a cut of $1.2 billion. This news prompted former CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden to take to Twitter and rebuke this “assault on science” that will “devastate” programs that protect Americans from many deadly conditions, including diabetes, heart attacks and strokes. He noted that the cuts would give the CDC its lowest budget in 20 years and lead to an increase in illness and deaths.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5468112/

Others cuts include $776 million to the National Science Foundation, a funder of scientific research, and a 31% reduction in funding for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which includes a $129-million cut to the enforcement of programs that support clean air and water. According to Erik Olson, director of public health for the Natural Resources Defense Council, the proposed cuts would be a “machete chop to most of the major body parts at EPA” and would directly affect public health.


https://www.cdc.gov/budget/documents...-factsheet.pdf

NIH-funded biomedical research has played a critical role in improving the physical and mental health of Americans, which in turn has yielded significant societal economic benefits. The agency’s myriad successes—both in developing its own in-house research advancements and also spurring innovation and economic activity in the private sector—have engendered consistent levels of bipartisan support that have resulted in steadily increasing funding throughout the latter half of the 20th century. This federal funding has turned NIH into the cornerstone of an American biomedical research sector that leads the world in investment and innovation. The decisions of the past decade, however, have begun to threaten America’s pre-eminence in biomedical research. As NIH budgets began stagnating after 2003 and declining in 2010, the costs of conducting biomedical research continued to rapidly increase. As such, the lost purchasing power that NIH has experienced over the past decade cannot be undone by simply repealing sequestration. Rather, in order to secure America’s position as the global leader in biomedical research for the foreseeable future, Congress must pursue significant new investments above and beyond repealing sequestration.

In glancing over the stock market's losses so far, I came across an interesting statistic for just one sector - cryptocurrency. Following a plummet in oil prices and a massive sell-off in stock futures. The market capitalization or entire value of cryptocurrencies was down $26.43 billion from a day earlier.

In order to save 1.2 billion, Republicans have sent the stock market into a downturn that will cost billions of dollars and uncounted lives and that's just for starters. In 2009 the Obama administration faced an equally serious flu pandemic yet avoided a stock market panic such as the one now occurring and kept influenza deaths from the new virus at a much lower rate than otherwise would have been the case.

I hope Trump loses every last penny he has invested in the stock market. Karma is a *****.
 
Old 03-10-2020, 06:47 AM
 
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Did people feel that Obama had lagged, been lax with the response, contradicted scientists, and made false claims to the public? Probably not.
They were so used to his usual doing nothing, they probably didn't even noticed that he did nothing.
 
Old 03-10-2020, 06:49 AM
 
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First of all, you need to provide a link for your paragraph of medical jargon randomly copied from who knows where. Throwing out a bunch of numbers which may or may not be valid and giving absolutely no context for the statistics cited results in a word salad that has about as much validity as Lewis Carroll's "Jabberwocky."

Given the above, your question about blaming Obama is at best disingenuous and at worst, a pathetic attempt to do a massive CYA job for Trump and the Republican party. As a Republican, you know exactly why the Obama administration was somewhat hampered in its response to the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. The Republican Congress was reluctant to fund medical research at the NIH and other US sponsored scientific agencies. Even so, the National Institutes of Health was ultimately funded to the tune of $30.1 billion (part of this sum was awarded by the Republican Congress as part of the recovery stimulus package).

Here's a press release that the Centers for Disease Control put out back in 2009:



Obama managed to get the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institute for Health and other governmental scientific and medical research agencies funded to the extent that they were able to do their jobs and sharply curtail the spread of H1N1 in the US. Now before any of you starts with your foolish whining about "throwing money" at a PANDEMIC for Christ's sake, please explain to me how a church bake sale or a donation of $10.00 here or $5.00 there is going to amount enough money to fund the required medical research and testing to defeat a foe that has killed millions of people just since the turn of the 20th century alone.

Now, what is Donald Trump doing about the Corona virus other than complaining that the falling stock market might negatively impact his chances for re-election?



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5468112/

Others cuts include $776 million to the National Science Foundation, a funder of scientific research, and a 31% reduction in funding for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which includes a $129-million cut to the enforcement of programs that support clean air and water. According to Erik Olson, director of public health for the Natural Resources Defense Council, the proposed cuts would be a “machete chop to most of the major body parts at EPA” and would directly affect public health.


https://www.cdc.gov/budget/documents...-factsheet.pdf

NIH-funded biomedical research has played a critical role in improving the physical and mental health of Americans, which in turn has yielded significant societal economic benefits. The agency’s myriad successes—both in developing its own in-house research advancements and also spurring innovation and economic activity in the private sector—have engendered consistent levels of bipartisan support that have resulted in steadily increasing funding throughout the latter half of the 20th century. This federal funding has turned NIH into the cornerstone of an American biomedical research sector that leads the world in investment and innovation. The decisions of the past decade, however, have begun to threaten America’s pre-eminence in biomedical research. As NIH budgets began stagnating after 2003 and declining in 2010, the costs of conducting biomedical research continued to rapidly increase. As such, the lost purchasing power that NIH has experienced over the past decade cannot be undone by simply repealing sequestration. Rather, in order to secure America’s position as the global leader in biomedical research for the foreseeable future, Congress must pursue significant new investments above and beyond repealing sequestration.

In glancing over the stock market's losses so far, I came across an interesting statistic for just one sector - cryptocurrency. Following a plummet in oil prices and a massive sell-off in stock futures. The market capitalization or entire value of cryptocurrencies was down $26.43 billion from a day earlier.

In order to save 1.2 billion, Republicans have sent the stock market into a downturn that will cost billions of dollars and uncounted lives and that's just for starters. In 2009 the Obama administration faced an equally serious flu pandemic yet avoided a stock market panic such as the one now occurring and kept influenza deaths from the new virus at a much lower rate than otherwise would have been the case.

I hope Trump loses every last penny he has invested in the stock market. Karma is a *****.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
 
Old 03-10-2020, 07:05 AM
 
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They were so used to his usual doing nothing, they probably didn't even noticed that he did nothing.
Obama and his administration issued two emergency declarations.

Obama’s acting director of health and human services declared H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26, 2009 after 20 cases of H1N1 reported -- no deaths.

2 Days later 7.65 billion was requested for vaccinations and other measures.

H1N1 was declared a pandemic by WHO six weeks later.

Obamtoa declared another national emergency in OCtober 2010 to temporarily waive or modify requirements of the Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children's Health Insurance programs. It also permitted doctors and hospitals to bypass certain requirements as they responded to H1N1. This was to address the back log of those waiting for vaccines.

And even if there is some concern for how Obama managed, it does not dismiss Trump's contradicting messages, minimizing the concern and blaming opposition for the virus crisis.
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