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Old 03-12-2020, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Remove all federal income tax for 2019. It only helps 53% of families but I'll take it.
stopping payroll taxes provides temp relief to many many more, and more of those who really need it.

The problem with doing that is the politicians can't monetize that for their own personal gains since ther are no kickbacks. This is why the Dems are fighting Trump on it.

Anytime Billions of Dollars move, they must get their slice of it, and payroll taxes doesn't fit that bill even though its the fastest easiest and most effective way to help working families.

It's never been about us though, so don't be naive.

 
Old 03-12-2020, 04:55 PM
 
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They’re fighting trump on it because it’s a simple ploy for him to buy votes. There’s no real economic thought process put into it.
 
Old 03-12-2020, 05:01 PM
 
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stopping payroll taxes provides temp relief to many many more, and more of those who really need it.

The problem with doing that is the politicians can't monetize that for their own personal gains since ther are no kickbacks. This is why the Dems are fighting Trump on it.

Anytime Billions of Dollars move, they must get their slice of it, and payroll taxes doesn't fit that bill even though its the fastest easiest and most effective way to help working families.

It's never been about us though, so don't be naive.
How does it help people who are home, not working, and not getting paid? The payroll tax cuts only help workers who have some sort of leave that allows them to be paid when they are off work. If they have unpaid leave, they get no pay and thus no relief. I agree with others that some sort of check for everyone, regardless, is going to provide more benefit than a payroll tax cut that is only going to help the people who can actually get a paycheck if they miss work.
 
Old 03-12-2020, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Remove all federal income tax for 2019. It only helps 53% of families but I'll take it.
Sure just get rid of all taxes because according to some only spending causes deficits.
 
Old 03-12-2020, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Payroll taxes were already cut in 2017... we're going to cut them more at the same time we're going to have to ramp up health care spending?
they were?
 
Old 03-12-2020, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Lower federal taxes on gasoline and diesel. That helps everyone , every day in every way. Think about it.

Fuel taxes in the United States. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel.
the gas tax raises 36B annually.

I drive a goodly bit, and fill up 36x a year. at 30 gallons X 18.5 cents, you're talking about saving me $200. In a year.
 
Old 03-12-2020, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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"But what about all the retirees who mainly get just Social Security or a Pension", show us where anybody has proposed STOPPING SS checks.
if the level of discourse on Investing or Personal Finance is no better than this moved thread, we might very well be better off with the current at-risk group being most affected.
 
Old 03-12-2020, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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How does it help people who are home, not working, and not getting paid? The payroll tax cuts only help workers who have some sort of leave that allows them to be paid when they are off work. If they have unpaid leave, they get no pay and thus no relief. I agree with others that some sort of check for everyone, regardless, is going to provide more benefit than a payroll tax cut that is only going to help the people who can actually get a paycheck if they miss work.
there's about 28 million people whose jobs (in 2017/18) didn't get PTO/sick/vacation.

Now, of course we're told that 50% of workers (175MM roughly) don't earn a poverty wage.

Regardless, the issue becomes identifying those who work full time, and should be provided 2-4 weeks paid in order to make sure they don't make the wrong choice - that is to work and risk the health of everyone because they fear not getting the cash/losing the job.

So, take those 28 million, multiply them by a 40% affected rate, pay them at a $30K/year rate for up to 30 days, and *wala*

$28 Billion dollars as a max cost.


So, tell us what part of $8B is needed to get some real medical help/advancement to truly lessen the impact both short and long term.

8B for 1,000 of the very best scientists is $1MM apiece for their salary, facilities, etc. Help me me understand how this isn't enough.
 
Old 03-13-2020, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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the gas tax raises 36B annually.

I drive a goodly bit, and fill up 36x a year. at 30 gallons X 18.5 cents, you're talking about saving me $200. In a year.
Yes... and it would lower anything that moved by truck or train. Transportation costs would be lower, but this would only be part of an overall incentive. People drive miles to save pennies for gas or fuel.


Point being, everyday items people use, that has point of use savings and incentives, provides immediate benefit for low income earners exponentially.
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