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Old 03-14-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The press pool had their temperature taken before being allowed into the press room. Anyone that has any contact with the President or VP will now have to have their temp taken.

Since people are contagious with no symptoms what good would this do?
It makes it seem like they are doing something. And, it might weed out a few who actually do have temps. People do go to work sick.

 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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While the politics of blame suggests very little and is simply not usefu,l please consider how quickly this viral pathogen has quickly become THE topic. Since late December and the following 2 months cases imploded Wuhan and devastated the population there.

This virus difference from MERS, SARS, H1N1 is significant. It appears that CoVid-19 spreads more quickly however it is less lethal except in persons >70 years of age. That is the "good" news.

Consider however if the virus mutates now or in the next spillover event it may change.

This is a wake up call. This virus is already slowing in China. Containment efforts work. I expect to see more closures, more restrictions and more prevention efforts used in communities across our country. Currently the rate of infection in the USA is 7.1 per million. Italy is 242 per million as a comparison.

This virus is also susceptible to spray and wipe disinfectant use so don't be shy about applying the sani-wipe like products or the lysol. Most likely May will see a reduction in cases which will peak in late March - April.

Your best line of defense is prevention.

Avoid sick contacts.
If you develop fever or flu like symptoms call your doctor
If you develop shortness of breath call 911.
If you must travel by air use scrupulous hygeine. Lysol your luggage, esp the handles pre and post flight.
Practice good nutrition including lots of fresh water unless advised otherwise by your doctor.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Agree. Now family member is sick (EMT) but can’t get tested.
My son works in emergency medicine. Said no tests are available until Monday there!
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I'm starting to 'panic' that this country did not 'panic' soon enough. We are woefully underprepared with poor leadership at the top levels, an underfunded public health system, and too many clueless.
same here.

I am in California, and people are taking this very seriously. The most dangerous place happens to be the safest. lol In my city, around 20% wear facemask and most people avoid each other. I am in Irvine, orange county California right now.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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Inevitably breaks, JAMS!
But we are nowhere near that now.

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China had it also. China is down to tiny growth at this time, with an epicenter recording less than ten new cases/day for several days now.
China was able to reduce it down to where they are right now by literally locking down the country. Do you see that happening here? We can't even frigging test our population. We have no idea how far it's already spread because we are too inept to figure it out.

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I'm not suggesting our rapid growth has crested, but inevitably, as we have seen in past outbreaks, it will.

In addition, it is hardly a co-incidence 2 cities teeming with international travelers have most of the US cases.
Two cities teeming with international travelers, who pass it on to domestic travelers, who then go on to spread it in their communities. And and on and on it goes. Our rapid growth has not even begun yet.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Testing is not the issue, it does not adjust treatment, only risks of contagion.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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There could easily be 1,000,000 or more that have been infected by now worldwide, and we'll probably never know what that true number is, because up to 20% of infected people are totally asymptomatic, and never develop any cough or fever at all over the entire time they are infected. Or they had mild symptoms and were never tested to confirm if they had it in the first place.

Supposedly, China is developing a serologoical test (different from the kits now that are looking for the virus genome inside you) to be able to test people to see if they have the conoravirus antibodies in their body, meaning that they were infected at some point but never got sick, that will at least give us a better idea of the amount of people that were truly infected.

Containment in the US is impossible at this point, you would of had to seal off the entire United States (air/land/sea) months ago and not let anybody into or out of the country back in January, and even then it was probably too late. Then you would of had to keep it like that probably until next January or longer!

Assume the virus is everywhere at this point, don't panic, but wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds with soap, avoid touching your face, especially your eyes, nose and mouth, and avoid people as much as you can. It's now all about delaying everyone getting it at the same time, as to not overwhelm the healthcare system. If we can at least stagger the infections, we have a much better chance of keeping our death rate low.

It's basically not a matter of if you will get it, but a matter of when, stay strong my friends, we're all in this together!

1% are estimated to be asymptomatic. 20% are under the "mild" category, which includes pneumonia and high fever and down to truly mild symptoms. Basically everything short of a need for hospitalization.
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Old 03-14-2020, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Profit motive.
China releases the virus, and they also manufacture all of the medications to treat the virus.
Just a coincidence, move along.

China uses the virus as an excuse to shut down cities, especially Hong Kong, putting a stop to anti-government protests. Just a coincidence.

Panic over the virus causes a market downturn, hurting the U.S. economy, which benefits the democrat party who are more friendly towards China. Just a coincidence.
It's an extremely poor plan to release an organism from which a country cannot protect its own citizens, and the virologists do not believe that anything happened that cannot be explained by natural evolution of the virus.

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. . .
In a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains. Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene promoted bacterial superinfection. This superinfection killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
The virus killed otherwise young and healthy people in larger numbers than seasonal flu did, sometimes doing so very quickly. Cytokine storm is the suspected culprit, not just superimposed bacterial pneumonia.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0227142250.htm

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Of course, the seasonal flu death rate is probably even less than 0.1% or 0.2% or whatever it is, since many who get it just stay home and never go see a doctor to get tested to confirm it was indeed a certain strain of the flu, which reduces the overall number of total flu cases reported, therefore the denominator is actually higher than what is being reported.

The big unknowns with this coronavirus is there is no current vaccine, like the seasonal flu, and they don't know yet if this new novel virus is seasonal, meaning that the infections might go down once the summer hits, like the seasonal flu does.

Like I said previously, at this point it's all about delaying the amount of infections, so not everyone gets infected at the same time and brings down the entire healthcare system.

It's not a matter of if you will get it, but a matter of when!
The CDC method of estimating influenza incidence takes into consideration the number of people who did not seek medical care, by doing surveys and asking people. The new virus throws a monkey wrench into that process, because people who do not get sick enough to see a doctor could have had either virus now.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:16 AM
 
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I'm starting to 'panic' that this country did not 'panic' soon enough. We are woefully underprepared with poor leadership at the top levels, an underfunded public health system, and too many clueless.
Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but by some estimates if China had just acted 3 weeks quicker than they did, there might have been up to 95% less fatalities worldwide at this point.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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No they were working on a system for health care workers, not for the general public. Trump said a nationwide site for the public.
Verily is working on an app.................. for the Bay Area. That's it.
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