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Old 03-17-2020, 09:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee View Post
That's called leadership. Leadership isn't always saying "the buck stops here." Sometimes it's pointing the finger and saying "I don't take any responsibility at all."
That's not leadership -- let's hope you aren't in any leadership position.

If you identify someone is failing for whatever reason, you contact them privately and directly to address the issue and make suggestions.

That's what an adult does. Yes middle school kids would attempt public humiliation as a means to get someone to tow the line...but that's not leadership - -never has been -- and will never be effective.

He didn't specify what strategy he thinks she is failing at.

Just a personal attack.

That's not leadership -- that's a childish bully.

 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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There has got to be something else going on that we are not being told. We didn't freak out during the west nile virus, SARS, bird flu, ecoli, swine flue, cholera, ebola, zika virus, or nipah virus. But for some reason, all hell has broken loose over this corona virus, despite the fact that only 80 Americans have died. Its not much worse than the common flu, but the media has caused us to shut down society, hoard everything from the grocery stores, barricade ourselves in our homes, and start preparing for the apocalypse. Something is not adding up here. What is really going on that we aren't be told? There is no way that the corona virus can be responsible for all of this chaos. I would like to hear everyone's honest opinions, about what the REAL reasons could be, for why all of this is happening. Is it something political? Or maybe something even bigger that we aren't being told?
Look at Italy. Germany.

THAT is the real reason. Otherwise, why would Trump SUDDENLY be taking this seriously in his speech and rhetoric???

Governor DeWine who has shut down down near everything - is a Republican.

So this whole 'conspiracy" BS is just BS.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee View Post
Why should Trump take responsibility? There are about 175 people who deserve more blame.

Gavin Newsome
Bill De Blasio
Anthony Fauci
Barack Obama, Sr.
Michelle Obama
Malia Obama
Bo Obama
Robert De Niro
Ken Bone

Literally dozens of others to point the finger at yet everyone wants to give Trump at least some of the blame. Why???
Because it makes them feel better to say it's "someone else fault".
And those fingers all get pointed to the President.

Bush got blamed for letting hurricane Katrina flatten New Orleans.
Bush got blamed for letting terrorists fly into buildings

It's always the President's fault.

We'd be in this same position no matter who is in the Oval Office.
Why ? Because the world has not seen a pandemic like this since 1918.

None of the strategies that worked against other infections are working for this one.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
Democrats said that the China travel ban was racist and xenophobic.

2 Democrats expressed concern.

That is not representative of all House or Senate Democrats.

: smack::s mack:
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Oh for G sakes, you don't get how the brain of a clinical narcissist works.

He was in denial about the crisis because he thought it would hurt the economy which is the strong point of his presidency. His first thought was his own self aggrandizement, not being a leader during a crisis. Anybody who understands this guys personality disorder knows exactly why his first response was to deny that anything was going on.
No one understands his personality or are you one of the few who has special knowledge most of us do not have? Can you tell us what he should have done? He put travel restrictions in place almost as soon as we heard the word: conronavirus. Since then he has restricted more and more things, approved more testing, an done whatever he could to keep us informed. His first response may have more to do with not starting a flow of panic. That is my opinion and the opinion of many we know personally who are in the medical field. Do you know something they do not?
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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I'm guessing what Rob Reiner means is this:

1. We have a national government that flat out lied to us and tried to minimize this until it literally couldn't anymore.

2. As a result of the swift turnaround from "everything is fine" to "we're declaring a national emergency", people are scared.

3. When people don't trust their government, bad things happen - like hoarding and panic buying.

4. Every time Trump opens his mouth, he makes it worse. This crisis is highlighting all of his shortcomings. It's obvious that he's not someone who possesses empathy or even the strength to deal with this.

5. If he is removed from office and someone calm and reassuring takes his place, people's emotional and mental health will improve. This won't change the course of the virus, of course, but when people feel like someone capable is in charge, they'll calm down.
You are right up there on the level of Rob Reiner, not a great place to hang you hat...
EDIT: Just looked back over Sandy's last few posts. WOW. Get some help girl.....
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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Some Democrats? You might want to try that one again.

If we didn't have the travel ban from China in January, then we would be looking like Europe right now.
We didn't have a travel ban from China, nor did we restrict travel from China in January. Oh, and we are well on our way to looking like Europe.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Because it makes them feel better to say it's "someone else fault".
And those fingers all get pointed to the President.

Bush got blamed for letting hurricane Katrina flatten New Orleans.
Bush got blamed for letting terrorists fly into buildings

It's always the President's fault.

We'd be in this same position no matter who is in the Oval Office.
Why ? Because the world has not seen a pandemic like this since 1918.
yeah, agreed...

Every country blamed their own leader, nobody is happy because Trump is right at one thing: NO country has it contained. He told the truth
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Because it makes them feel better to say it's "someone else fault".
And those fingers all get pointed to the President.

Bush got blamed for letting hurricane Katrina flatten New Orleans.
Bush got blamed for letting terrorists fly into buildings

It's always the President's fault.

We'd be in this same position no matter who is in the Oval Office.
Why ? Because the world has not seen a pandemic like this since 1918.
Agreed. I'm glad you and I see eye to eye.

People seem to forget that no one blamed Barack Obama for the lousy economy in 2009. The hypocrisy is astounding.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 09:38 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Some Democrats? You might want to try that one again.

If we didn't have the travel ban from China in January, then we would be looking like Europe right now.
News Flash...European countries got infected before us.

We'll be where Italy is in about 10 days with our numbers.
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