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Old 03-17-2020, 10:34 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Originally Posted by jacqueg View Post
I was in line at an Arizona post office yesterday, behind a bunch of Trump supporters - I know this because they were talking about the primary and ridiculing Ds (the R primary was cancelled). To a person, they believed that the virus itself is a hoax.

Apparently, they didn't catch the nuance that Trump never called the virus a hoax.
Lots of people believe it is overblown. But people are learning daily. The beaches in Florida were full of college kids who believed that. A few will die.


My proclivity for crunching numbers led me to short the stock market on Mar 6.
At the current rate of 31% daily growth (last 10 day average) our 6,000 cases today will be 234,000 by Mar 31.
Kinda sobering, isn't it?

 
Old 03-17-2020, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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West Virginia got its first case.

It's now in all 50 states.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I just don’t understand why the administration won’t shut everything down for three weeks, have everybody self isolate, and get this done and over with. Without any leadership and so much uncertainty I think it’s going to drag out longer than it would have if we just let it collapse. There doesn’t seem to be an end in sight.
First off, the three weeks will not do much. We will all need to go to the store at some point. Also it isn't a magical cure. Also look at how many still don't follow it. I don't but I get stir crazy couped up. That is just my nature.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by jacqueg View Post
I was in line at an Arizona post office yesterday, behind a bunch of Trump supporters - I know this because they were talking about the primary and ridiculing Ds (the R primary was cancelled). To a person, they believed that the virus itself is a hoax.

Apparently, they didn't catch the nuance that Trump never called the virus a hoax.
Sadly there are many that think it is. That said I'm sure democrats might agree to it too though they don't say it is a hoax to get Trump out. That said Trump besides trying to buy votes, is doing not a totally great job at crisis management. He did better today but there were still him pulling boners during the press briefing.

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Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
Lots of people believe it is overblown. But people are learning daily. The beaches in Florida were full of college kids who believed that. A few will die.


My proclivity for crunching numbers led me to short the stock market on Mar 6.
At the current rate of 31% daily growth (last 10 day average) our 6,000 cases today will be 234,000 by Mar 31.
Kinda sobering, isn't it?
I saw one today in Wal-Mart. A clerk thought it was overblown. I kind of did but I understand because I am fairly walk a mile in their shoes but I know two others who have changed their tune on the handling of the virus. The problem is there are still spring breakers and St. Patrick's day idiots out there. I say this as someone who saw a movie yesterday.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Maybe. Or more likely, there are far more people running around with only minor symptoms who will never be tested and counted, which makes the virus look worse than it is. People don't go running to the hospital every time they have a sniffle. Some people develop no symptoms at all. There's no way to know how many cases are out there unless we test everyone. But the reality is, we are only testing people with significant symptoms for the most part, because there are only so many test kits to go around.

That's why I said "reported cases". We don't know for sure how prevalent the virus is, since testing is so limited.


Nevertheless, COVID-19 does seem to be more virulent than the common cold or flu. In Washington state, deaths from COVID-19 have already overtaken the flu.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

442 in Qutar but zero deaths

434 in Czehia (Czech Republic) but zero deaths

Mortality rate in Norway: 3 out of 1,471 or 0.2%

Denmark 4 out of 1,024: or 0.3%

Germany: 26 out of 9,360 or 0.3%

Italy 2,503 out of 31,506 or 8%

Iran 988 out of 16,188 or 7%
 
Old 03-17-2020, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Washington 5% mortality 55 out 1,012 (nursing home outbreak increased percent)

California 1.6% mortality 12 out of 700

NY 0.7% mortality 13 out of 1700

Massachusetts 0 mortality rate 0 out of 218

Florida 3% rounded 6 out of 216

Wisconsin 0% 0 out of 72
 
Old 03-17-2020, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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It is amazing to me the extreme Palawan has gone despite the fact there have been zero cases.

All air and sea traffic to islands is closed
All private cars and public transport banned
8 pm curfew
Only grocery and pharmacy open

Nothing in the US comes close to this level of lock down. Lets see how different approaches look number wise in two weeks.

I expect in two weeks everything will be back open on Palawan but they will maintain the incoming travel ban.

I expect very high numbers in US and increased lock down that will still not come close to what Palawan did.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Interesting study out of Italy, so they basically wanted to know how many people in this one town in Italy were positive, so they decided to test all 3000 inhabitants regardless if they showed any symptoms or not. Well it looks like between 50 and 75% that tested positive, were completely asymptomatic!

Coronavirus: "50-75% of cases in Vo 'are asymptomatic. A formidable source of contagion"
That is one of the scariest things I have ever heard.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 11:35 PM
 
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Wait -- military had all the masks all the time.

Are you sure we aren't in a spoof movie.
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