Italy's Tale of Why Universal Healthcare Is Not Good (compare, financial, money)
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What do you think is going to happen here?? It's going to be even worse, because employees don't have the protections that the employees in Italy/Spain/Germany/France have. Sick people can't call out sick because they will not get paid, so they'll just go work at the stores/restaurants/whatever and spread it around even more.
I didn't think that 45,000 sounded right. The U.S. number is from 2009. Do the math - 3.47 million beds in 2009.
Lets assume that we end up with a infection rate of 70% in the USA, and we take the best case scenario of only 1% of those needing to be hospitalized, that is still about 2.2 million people. Change that to 3%, and we're at nearly double our capacity.
We have about 1 bed per 90 people, roughly.
The bottom line metric of success when the dust settles will be:
Deaths / Population
That will reflect on how it was contained, ignore any bias for not testing as much or having minor cases reported as well as the medical response.
Hopefully we can learn from this and not use it as an opportunity to axe grind on pet political issues.
Part of the frustration is we already have been down this path during Obama's tenure and he(learning from his own mistakes) set up government apparatus specifically for this problem with people that had experience and institutional knowledge dealing with pandemics.
I find it a bit disingenuous to have the new admin come in, foolishly dismantle this apparatus for most likely political reasons, and then we are supposed to be all kum-bah-yah lets all come together and learn from our mistakes.
We already burned our hand on this stove and learned from our mistakes once, one side came in and destroyed it, and if you rightly criticize them for doing so you are "axe grinding" and being "political" in these "difficult times". Oh don't forget, the guy who dismantled these Obama programs also had the AUDACITY to then turn blame Obama for his own administrations failure to be able to provide adequate testing.
When you have a the leader of a political party actively contributing to the problem it is difficult to see how politics can NOT be part of the solution. To remove part of the problem will require politics.
Last edited by zzzSnorlax; 03-16-2020 at 12:36 PM..
They had similar numbers back on 3/06/2020, so we are roughly 10-14 days behind their curve and we had an ocean moat between us and China where they did not.
I visited Italy in 2016, it does have a higher average age of the population in my opinion. Plus, like many European countries, they use mass transit a lot more than we do in the US. It's pretty common for those that have a car, to use it only locally and take the train for city-to-city travel.
They had similar numbers back on 3/06/2020, so we are roughly 10-14 days behind their curve and we had an ocean moat between us and China where they did not.
I didn't realize many people were getting to Italy from China by cars, boats, and trains.
No health insurance or health care system in the world will work if you have more patients than beds and more patients needing oxygen than ventilators.
This entire thread and it's premise is BS
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