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I am seeing more reports of injury from so called cytokine storm. After my wife's second stem cell transplant, the specialists felt this over exuberant immune response was trying to kill her in a multitude of ways.
There are some feasible medical suggestions that increased general immunity might be helpful today.
For instance BCG. Maybe the fact that I got BCG'd in med school saved me from a darker fate with my own covid 19 infection.
I had just read about this last night. It is interesting to say the least. But it has to be kept in mind that the countries with mandatory BCG vaccination also tend to be the poorest countries, who have done the least testing.
Also, I am wondering, if the BCG vaccine does turn out to be protective, since it is a live vaccine, does that mean that anyone who is PPD positive has the same protection? It seems logical that they would, but that may be wishful thinking on my part because I turned PPD positive almost 30 years ago while in med school.
As to Cytokine Storm, yes. I have read reports that diabetics are more prone to this, and have been wondering if that is why our population on ventilators is notably, disproportionally diabetics.
It's not the President's job to "instill hope" in a specific, unproven drug. Sorry, try again.
Sorry, but it IS the president’s job to let Americans know that there is an existing drug that is showing some very favorable outcomes, based on significant anecdotal evidence. Are leftists really so scared that he might be associated with good news? It’s really horrible the way the liberal media is hyping all the negatives - and only the negatives. Things are bad enough without the anti-Trump cultists* downplaying glimmers of hope.
*I don’t like all the leftists calling people who don’t despise Trump “cult members,” but rather than continue to object to it, I figure I’d stop fighting them....and join them.
Take off the partisan blinders, calling it the Trump Drug was conjured up by those on the left as a way of mocking the great one. Unfortunately for them, the drug has become a game changer and now Trump will forever be remembered as, once again, saving America. Gotta hurt if your eyes are slanted towards the left... Remember this as you drift off to sleep tonight, TRUMP MAGA for four more years. You are very lucky...
No partisan blinders here.
As I said, I haven't seen it used outside of internet forums and when I have seen it used there, it has been exclusively Trump supporters, that I can recall.
If you or Rachel have some examples, that would be helpful.
As I said, I haven't seen it used outside of internet forums and when I have seen it used there, it has been exclusively Trump supporters, that I can recall.
If you or Rachel have some examples, that would be helpful.
This is page 126 of this tread. Go back to the fist page and read all 126, it was the left who coined the phrase to mock the current and next president of the USA. Lucky you....
How is the drug risk free? It has some pretty significant risks, particularly when combined with azithromycin. Things like cardiac arrest and deadly heart rhythms. If it isn't proven or strongly suspected (by medical professionals, not a reality TV star) to work, then it's not "worth a try" because it is FAR from harmless.
That being said, if a medical doctor wants to prescribe it because they believe it will work, then they are absolutely free to do so. No doctor needs permission from the president to prescribe a drug off label.
a couple of points here.
if takin the prescribed dosage, there is a 65 year history of the safety of this medication. 65 years. The "book" on this drug is very clear. It is very safe. Doctors who have been using the medication say it is very safe.
It is easy to say that something isn't "risk free". Opening my front door carries some risk. But the actual data. the actual literature on this medication is very clear. It is one of the most well understood medications on the planet. It is possibly one of the most used medications as well. hundreds of millions of people have been prescribed this drug with billions of doses having been taken.
Anyone suggesting it is a dangerous drug should be viewed with complete skepticism. This is not reality. This is NOT what the SCIENCE says.
As for the efficacy of the medication, one can argue that there aren't enough double blind studies to suggest this medication is effective against COVID19. Clearly that is the case as we have had Covid19 for a very short few months. There hasn't been enough time to create studies then administer them over time to achieve an acceptable scientific conclusion.
Having said that, there is substantial evidence based on the Peer Review Record, that Hydroxy Chloroquine has clear anti-viral properties and has been used for that purpose for a number of years.
This Peer Review Record is that initially led doctors in China and then Europe to experiment with the drug in treating those with advanced COVID19 symptoms.
The results, while clearly not conclusive as stated above, has shown clear promise and those researchers who have been using it are reporting that a patient who has taken a 600 mg initial load, followed by a daily dose of 400mg daily for a total of 6 days are dramatically less likely to end up needing to be placed on ventilators.
There are multiple small studies. There is now a research paper (not double blind) covering 1000 patients in France. And its potential has researchers at the NIH doing further studies.
The doctors in the trenches around the world are saying it works. More importantly they are themselves taking the drug to prevent themselves from being infected. Scientists seem to be speaking loudly that this is a very good weapon in the fight against Covid19.
Worth a try? well the NIH (National Institute of Health) believes it is as they are conducting trails. in terms of drugs prescribed, it is the number one medication prescribed by doctors.
To address your last point, multiple states governors have issued executive orders banning this drug from being used by doctors to fight COVID19. So not all doctors can use it "off label".
This drug has become a political football because Donald Trump talked about it. Not because it is or isn't a valid option, but because people in this country have decided that anything Trump says must at all costs be used to attack him.
people will die because of this unfathomable attitude toward Mr. Trump.
I cannot believe the anti-vaxx types are still at it... don't you realize that the only people you'll convince to refuse treatment are boomers on the left.... and that's basically the only people who support Biden.
You are letting your TDS cause a wave election for the president.
How would you like to get the placebo in such a study?
Now is not the time.
I'm sorry, but you're confused as to which side of the argument I'm on. Feel free to click on my username and look for posts I have made in this and other HCQ topics.
I've been talking about using it since before Trump did - I saw some Euro doc on TV around Mar 17 saying it was a possibility (and why - that it inhibited viral replication), and since it had been around so long with extremely low risk.
I have only heard Trump supporters referring to it as the "Trump Drug".
we could do a google search, and I believe in the early days it was generally used by the left. I could be wrong though. I've never called it that, and disregarded all references to it. It's just my sense.
kind of like the "Trump economy" ... I don't attribute much in the stock market to him. Maybe <6 months after Nov 2016, because clearly Wall St preferred him to HRC.
..and yet, in malaria countries you can buy it off the shelf...OTC...pick it up, go to the cashier, pay for it, take it home
no doctor, no prescription...nada...just like aspirin
and they are not dropping off like flies
..it's sold OTC in Mexico as Aralen and Plaquenil
there was a report a week or so ago that some in African nation(s) had indeed screwed up and OD'd on it.
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It has some pretty significant risks, particularly when combined with azithromycin. Things like cardiac arrest and deadly heart rhythms. If it isn't proven or strongly suspected (by medical professionals, not a reality TV star) to work, then it's not "worth a try" because it is FAR from harmless.
