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Old 04-02-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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For those with TDS fake news is news they don't want to hear. Truthful news is what they do want to hear. There's only 15 people with covid and it's under control. There's a miracle drug that will have pronounced effects in six hours (100% effective). If you have TDS it doesn't matter that's all you need to know. The "Trump Drugs" work and everyone will be cured in six hours and the entire situation is just a lefty invention.

Of course the reality that most people, and yes that includes most Trump voters, are in is a bit different than that. The "Trump Drugs" may help and I hope they do. They won't cure everyone's symptoms in six hours with a complete cure costing $20. They may help though.
I'm reading 4-5 days to resume normal activities, but can be much shorter. A Florida man reported he was fine in just 1 day. Its takes 4-5 hours for breathing ability to improve.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:17 AM
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It may as well oficially be called the trump drug. The left seems upset about. What is the alternative to this concoction? Nothing that im aware of. If I were down with the bug I would demand the combo.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:19 AM
 
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Dr. Zelenko of New York cured 699 patients using the *"Trump Drug" cocktail:

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...irus-treatment

I think this is being kept quiet to avoid a run on these meds. How else to explain why isn't this the lead story today in the media? This article was from March 30th...3 days ago. Why no mainstream media pick-up?

This Doc says its 100% effective.

*"Trump Drugs" is much easier to say, remember, & type than: HyroxyCholoroquine Sulfate with Azithrmyicin & Zinc
I don't want to squash anyone's sense of hope. It is possible that these drugs will work and we certainly should be trying them, as long as it can be done safely.

But this article definitely falls into the class of what Dr Fauci called "anecdotal" evidence. This not peer-reviewed data. In fact it is not data at all, just some doctor's statement. No listing of patient demographics. No indication that all of these patients had been tested and were positive for Covid-19. Most importantly, there is no control group.

One sentence that draws my suspicion:

"Zelenko said shortness of breath in patients subsided within four to six hours after treatment"

I wouldn't expect it to impact symptoms that fast, given the proposed mechanism of action of these drugs. On the other hand, these drugs have been shown to have anti-inflammatory effects, which might account for such rapid response. The also are immunosupressants, which may be good or bad.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Zelenko's word is all that they have. He hasn't documented anything. So scientifically it means nothing.

It's nice and hopeful and part of the research being done around the world.

The malaria drug in combination with anti-biotics....starting in South Korea and being tried all over the world may be helpful for moderately ill patients -- lots of little studies done -- most are documented.

Makes you wonder why Zelenko wouldn't have published his data yet. Maybe he will.

But Trump didn't invent it, didn't discover it -- didn't do anything but say he hopes it works.

And y'all make
Dr. Zelenko is part of the hisidic community, and they are very private people. He is under great pressure not to make the community a hotbed of World News, and have Hundreds of news trucks interviewing all the rcovered patients.

Before Trump brought them up on his press conference ~2weeks ago, hardly anyone had heard of this combination of drugs showing promise. Trump made the FDA give emergency clearance to it, and had Sandoz expedite 1M doses to be jetted over to us. Trump cleared away all kinds of Red tape to get these doses into our medical system.

Trump made this happen! He did build that!
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Didn't say we had to wait -- but there is still no scientific proof.


I read another article from the media (these stories are all over the media not sure why some folks can't find them) that the drugs are most effective in reducing recovering time/symptoms in moderate patients. It has not been proven to work on hospitalized patients. Which means it will help with all those cases that are milder but still doesn't prevent the individuals who get really sick from getting sick.

But still worth trying.
Untrue. Hospitals are reporting 10% effectiveness in PREVENTING infection. Hospitals are giving it to the front line Doctors and Nurses, and are reporting 100% effectiveness...as a profolactic.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:23 AM
 
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This is why we, as physicians, demand randomized, double blinded, prospective studies before initiating any treatment.

I am always amazed how the public is convinced by anecdotes and small, non controlled reports.
damn....and those connivers tricked the FDA too!

....two days ago

March 30, 2020

An FDA Breakthrough on Treatment
The agency finally approves anti-malarial drugs for Covid-19.

The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday green-lighted two malaria medicines...hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and chloroquine (CQ) ..... that have shown some promise treating the novel coronavirus, and the emergency approvals couldn’t come soon enough.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-fda-...nt-11585609832
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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The fact that a segment of the US Population actually believes that American Deaths can help them Politically, particularly by the destruction of the US Economy is breathtaking - but we see evidence of it every day.

As to this 3 part drug mix that has saved lives ..... it sounds good, it appears to work well when given early and it certainly needs more study. Problem is - these CDC/FDA studies take years.

So the FDA (under a lot of public pressure) will now allow this "on label" to treat the Wu-Flu -- BUT it can't be prescribed unless the patient is in the hospital. The patient doesn't get into the hospital until they are in really bad shape. IF it is true that this Drug Combo works best (well in 5 days) when given at the first signs of distress and confirmed diagnosis ....... the FDA isn't helping much here.

Hope everyone has a friend/relative that is a Doctor .... it may save your life.
This is due to the limited supply of it. The supplies are coming sooner, and not later. W/in weeks, we'll all except children) be taking it as a preventative measure. We need almost 1 Billion doses.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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I'm reading 4-5 days to resume normal activities, but can be much shorter. A Florida man reported he was fine in just 1 day. Its takes 4-5 hours for breathing ability to improve.
That's pretty normal. For most people who get it, it's just a mild to moderate flu. Those usually take around 4-5 days to start feeling better so people feel up to resuming normal activity. Maybe they shouldn't as despite feeling better they may still be contagious though. The 14 days is overly cautious, probably a week is fine but better to err on the side of caution than go around spreading it. Most still means a large number have more severe symptoms.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Dr. Zelenko is part of the hisidic community, and they are very private people. He is under great pressure not to make the community a hotbed of World News, and have Hundreds of news trucks interviewing all the rcovered patients.

Before Trump brought them up on his press conference ~2weeks ago, hardly anyone had heard of this combination of drugs showing promise. Trump made the FDA give emergency clearance to it, and had Sandoz expedite 1M doses to be jetted over to us. Trump cleared away all kinds of Red tape to get these doses into our medical system.

Trump made this happen! He did build that!

Almost everyone had heard of them, they were used in China and France, and it was covered in the news.
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Old 04-02-2020, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Okay googles doctors reporting 100% effective use of malaria/anti-biotics and couldn't find the source of your information.

Link please.

Here's a link that supports that it may help but nothing firm yet.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...s-malaria.html
The earlier reports from France and China drew criticism because they did not include control groups to compare treated versus untreated patients. Researchers called the reports anecdotal, and said the lack of controls made it impossible to determine whether the drugs worked.
It was in the Miami Herald, dont recall the date. Google: Miami Herald + coronovirus + Doctors + hydroxychloromine I recall them using the word profolactic
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