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Just trying to keep a positive outlook on things, Italy has it far worse.
If were not careful we will be just like them.
The US as a whole is not going to end up like Italy. There is a fundamental difference people keep ignoring - population density. China has 1.4 billion citizens in an area comparable to the US. They are dense everywhere. European countries insist on cramming the vast majority of their citizens into crowded cities. Watch episodes of House Hunters International. Housing units in Europe have tiny kitchens with no room for storage. Europeans have to shop for food daily. Only certain spots in the US are like that: NYC, Chicago Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, etc. The rural, exurban and outer suburban areas will not see the same rates of transmission regardless of restrictions. High population density is what enables the virus to transmit rapidly.
That all being said, I am only leaving the house for buying food and other essential goods. I am just getting annoyed with all the comparisons to Europe. Most of America is not like Europe (or China). There are many folks on here that want the US to be like Europe but Coronavirus teaches us that we should not emulate European lifestyles.
Of course we would. Right now most things are shutdown and we only take walks away from others. If they say to not leave your house we won’t. We have a collective responsibility to our fellow man.
I keep hearing this is a possibility about a nationwide shelter-in-place being called for.
Personally I would not. Freedoms dont come free.
No one is asking for shelter-in-place. They are requesting self-distancing. That's a combination of self-isolation and keeping some distance between yourself and another person when you must go out.
That means you can go out as you wish; no one is forcing anything on you.
You still have all the freedom to move about you had before this disease appeared.
The US as a whole is not going to end up like Italy. There is a fundamental difference people keep ignoring - population density. China has 1.4 billion citizens in an area comparable to the US. They are dense everywhere. European countries insist on cramming the vast majority of their citizens into crowded cities. Watch episodes of House Hunters International. Housing units in Europe have tiny kitchens with no room for storage. Europeans have to shop for food daily. Only certain spots in the US are like that: NYC, Chicago Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, etc. The rural, exurban and outer suburban areas will not see the same rates of transmission regardless of restrictions. High population density is what enables the virus to transmit rapidly.
That all being said, I am only leaving the house for buying food and other essential goods. I am just getting annoyed with all the comparisons to Europe. Most of America is not like Europe (or China). There are many folks on here that want the US to be like Europe but Coronavirus teaches us that we should not emulate European lifestyles.
You seem to disregard two facts>
1. NZ, Chicago, Boston, SF, Seattle etc is still heck of a lot of people
2. You have your fair share of idiots. Thing is, your idiots have more money than idiots other nations have. So they travel everywhere and then come back to their hometowns and spread the disease.
And another thing. The bigger the place, the bigger the mess. This is what I experienced here in Croatia during the time of war. In towns like mine that were hit by the war, with constant artillery fire and bombing, civilians acted rationally re self/preservation in general. But in Zagreb, the capital, that hardly experienced any shooting at all, sporadic bullet here and there, everybody was panicking and out of their minds.
If Corona doesn't get you, the panic caused by rumors still may. Just look at all that toilet paper hysterics. ANd it hasn't even started.
Yeah, I understand the concerns about the economy, but sooner you get into self quarantine or at least some reasonable stay-at-home mode where applicable, the sooner you'll get out of it.
I find it amusing that I’m constantly being accused of being a Russian especially when I’m located in Massachusetts...Though Come to think of it you could have point...what’s the difference living in liberal commie Massachusetts and Russia?
At this point I'd say you live in less a socialist state than CA.
I have family there and they all say it has gotten quite weird in the last decade.
Of course we would. Right now most things are shutdown and we only take walks away from others. If they say to not leave your house we won’t. We have a collective responsibility to our fellow man.
People would still leave their house. You’re allowed to get food, supplies, gas, groceries, and commute to work.
It’s alarmingly clear that some folks here want America to be North Korea.
Your freedom is brought to you by the men and women of the armed services. They fight and die for you. All you are asked is to stay home.
Nope. Your Freedom comes from you as an individual, exercising your rights endowed by your creator.
No one else is "obligated" to die for you.
It's called the REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT, (Sovereign Republican)different than the myth of a Constitutional Republic.
“The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the Rights of mankind.”
- - - Thomas Jefferson https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
“I firmly believe that the benevolent Creator designed the republican Form of Government for Man.”
- - - Samuel Adams;
Statement of (14 April 1785), quoted in The Writings of Samuel Adams (1904) edited by Harry A. Cushing http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Samuel_Adams
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, endowed by our Creator, promised by the USCON, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).
" When a change of government takes place, from a monarchial to a republican government, the old form is dissolved. Those who lived under it, and did not choose to become members of the new, had a right to refuse their allegiance to it, and to retire elsewhere. By being a part of the society subject to the old government, they had not entered into any engagement to become subject to any new form the majority might think proper to adopt. That the majority shall prevail is a rule posterior to the formation of government, and results from it. It is not a rule binding upon mankind in their natural state. There, every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent."
- - - CRUDEN v. NEALE, 2 N.C. 338 (1796) 2 S.E. 70.
Without consent, no majority can rule nor govern, only secure endowed rights.
All endowed rights and liberties are from the Creator, not government, and thus cannot be subject to a majority vote, or any other infringement.
" Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324
Americans are endowed with natural rights and liberties (natural and personal) that are not subject to infringement by servant government, instituted to secure those rights.
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“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793) https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
- - - Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)
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In the republican form of government, the people are sovereigns (unless they consent otherwise) served by (not ruled by) servant government. Their rights and liberties existed before constitutional government (which is why the republican form is NOT a constitutional republic - nor can a constitutional government institute a republican form).
Unfortunately, the majority of Americans volunteered out of the republican form and into the socialist democratic form, and have surrendered their birthright in exchange for the privileges and obligations that come with that consent. But they still have the right to withdraw consent at anytime, especially if fraud, constructive fraud, coercion and other trickery was used to acquire that consent, without their complete knowledge.
Summed up:
(people) have endowed rights, liberties, and powers.
(citizens) have government granted privileges and immunities BUT waived their endowment in exchange.
At one time, Americans were aware of the difference...
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ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
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If you think that being sovereign, with endowed rights protected by a servant government is NOT ideal - or is inferior to being a subject of a sovereign government, with only government granted privileges, we'll have to agree to disagree.
GOD BLESS THE USA AND ITS REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT!
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