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Old 03-24-2020, 08:13 AM
 
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Where is in our US Constitution that states that if a government interferes with a business, they are responsible to reimburse those businesses?

No to this socialism crap.
SMH, Commies to the left of me, ancaps to the right....

I have no time to argue with fringe extremists.

When governments choose to interfere, as they did in this instance, they inherently have a responsibility to reimburse those they shut down.

We can have a different discussion as to if the government should have shut down business across the country in order to try and save a few boomers....but since they did, they owe a debt to those they prevented from making a living.

 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:13 AM
 
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Where is in our US Constitution that states that if a government interferes with a business, they are responsible to reimburse those businesses?

No to this socialism crap.
Where does it state that they can close a business down????
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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Actually I'm against all bailouts (both big and small) because it is not the responsibility of the federal government to bail you out. There is nothing in our US Constitution that said it is a federal responsibility to bail out a business. Since we did the Auto-Maker bailout of 2009 (don't try to spin it, it is a bail-out), companies now want to get into the action by saying "Hey they gave money the guys in Detroit, lets get our share."

Sorry, but end of the day we need to stop looking to government for help. Government isn't there to give us stuff, it is there to enforce the Constitution and our rights. There's nothing that said if we screw up we get a get out of jail card.

I'm not for helping anyone, because once again the government interfering with the free market by picking the winners and losers is destructive to our free market. People should be protesting in the streets, but no people want to be like the Chinese and be spoon feed with crap.

Most of my friends don't have 401k accounts, this is due to those big companies don't pay them them to cover all their bills and put money aside. My 401k is taking a beating, but it would go up quicker if we get government out of the way.




They need to relearn civics and how our Constitution works. Sorry man, but our government is not designed to be a socialist one that the GOP and the Dems want to take it to. Free Market demands companies to go out of business, and just because we are dealing with this virus situation is not an excuse. Businesses needs to plan for everything, and you can't have them going to DC to ask for monies.
The U.S. hasn't had a free market economic system since before the Tea Pot Dome scandal.

A "chicken in every pot" was just the nail in the coffin.

Since then, farm subsidies and your Yuuuuge MIC have seen to the flags remaining at half mast for anything resembling a "free market".

You've really got to get over it and move on. It ain't ever coming back to you trading a chicken for some firewood.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh yeah socialism is also a bailout and helping others with government actions. Government taking over completely is communism.
nope


socialism is the government owning everything and controlling every aspect of production


communism is no-government ownership..its public ownership by the people, the workers...ie a commune , a union, where the workers are the owners


both are anti-freedom, and anti captialistic
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Bend over Red vs. Blue fans, you are all about to take it in the "you know where" with this $2T porkulus.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" has become their mantra. Here's their faces later today big smiles all around.

Wait until the details emerge over the weeks, months, & years ahead, about the millions & billions that are in this monstrosity that have NOTHING to do with Covid-19.

I've already read they have $35M for the Kennedy Center refurb! That's the tip of the iceburg....penny's

This is how the top 1% crushes the other 99%. It's happening in plain sight & there's nothing you/we can do about it. They are ALL bi-partisanly corrupt.

Will ANY of them vote against this? Perhaps a few who are up for re-election in November....we'll see.

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Old 03-24-2020, 08:27 AM
 
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Bend over Red vs. Blue fans, you are all about to take it in the "you know where" with this $2T porkulus.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" has become their mantra. Here's their faces later today big smiles all around.

Wait until the details emerge over the weeks, months, & years ahead, about the millions & billions that are in this monstrosity that have NOTHING to do with Covid-19.

I've already read they have $35M for the Kennedy Center refurb! That's the tip of the iceburg....penny's

This is how the top 1% crushes the other 99%. It's happening in plain sight & there's nothing you/we can do about it. They are ALL bi-partisanly corrupt.

Will ANY of them vote against this? Perhaps a few who are up for re-election in November....we'll see.

this message has been approved by the "Save the 99%" Coalition
Yup, Democrats blocked a ridiculously large trillion dollar bill in order to add 1400 pages worth of completely unrelated pork to make it a 2.5 trillion dollar bill.

At the same time, people are still out of work across the country in need of aid.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:41 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Looks like Pelosi is having second thoughts and the Democrats are caving in a few hours.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Yup, Democrats blocked a ridiculously large trillion dollar bill in order to add 1400 pages worth of completely unrelated pork to make it a 2.5 trillion dollar bill.

At the same time, people are still out of work across the country in need of aid.
"people" are useful idiots to them. Other than their own friends and family's, they couldnt give a flip about any of us. Maybe a first term politican goes to Washington DC and naively believes he is going to represent his contituancy, and then they "show them the ropes".

If they dont go along, they are railroaded, and don't run for re-election of they really care about "people". The ones who remain become professional parasites.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:43 AM
 
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The second part is irrelevant. They were shut down by the government thus they are entitled to reimbursement. Perhaps you would prefer it if those companies had piled up mountains of cash in case the government shut them down by paying their workers less....but I'm not sure that would be a better situation.
Ha ha, nice deflection. There is a difference between "mountains of cash" and a reasonable rainy day fund, so you don't go out of business on the NEXT day, after 10 years of huge revenues and profits. So, to the third part of the question, the purpose of the slush fund would be to continue the buybacks and make sure the top brass does not go hungry, correct? Other than that, I'm sure the layoffs will start on the earliest date allowed by the bailout terms.

P.S. The money was used for buybacks so spare me "paying workers less".
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:44 AM
 
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Looks like Pelosi is having second thoughts and the Democrats are caving in a few hours.
I read last night that numerous Democrats notified her that they were going to vote for the rescue package without the radical left Green New Deal crap embedded in it.
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