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Old 03-23-2020, 05:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
No it doesn't. It's a loan to help save corporations that were strong and healthy before this virus - for which they cannot be blamed. Corporations provide livelihoods for millions of middle-income people, and in my experience pay quite well. To let the major corporations falter would have horrible ramifications throughout the population.

And remember, corporations are NOT some evilness personified that should be punished. They will have to pay the loans back. (Small businesses will be given grants, so easier on them.) So, to summarize:

1) Free money for individuals
2) Free money for small businesses
3) Loans for large businesses
Lol. Where is the money? No rainy day fund after 10 record years of profits?

No slush fund. And if money is given out, only under severe oversight with MANY strings attached.

 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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The deal had already been inked. Obama would have looked really bad if he had refused to go along with what Bush already had in motion. Sound familiar? A different Bush concocted NAFTA and conveniently left it to Clinton to take the heat. To this day NAFTA is a Clinton thing. The Auto Bailouts are an Obama thing.



The black ink at the end of Democrat administrations and the red ink at the end of Republican administrations is only forgotten by C-D partisans. The rest of the country remembers. Not his fault (he should never have won) but Trump has gaffed, fumbled, and blustered his way into worldwide disdain and disbelief. Coronavirus will be the final nail. He is done, done, done, and so are Republicans for at least the next 8 years. I would say, ever, but clearly Americans have a lot of tolerance for Republican talking points. Xenophobic nationalism and Puritan Ideals appeal to the general run of American. It's very appealing on paper. Things like they used to be. What's not to like? But at least once this year winds to a close what is left of the country can get a fresh start under Biden. Not my first choice but AIBTT
Even if this was true, what would Obama have done differently?

And in case you haven’t noticed, it’s the Democrats that are proponents of NAFTA type agreements and critical of Trump for getting rid of it.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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What good is helping people in need if they lose their jobs? The key is to help their companies so that they have a job at their companies to go back to.
Sounds nice in theory but I work in Voc. Rehab and we pay companies to hire people with barriers to employment. To a one, unless steps are taken to prevent it, they will take the incentive money, keep the client on for the mandated time and then quietly let them go. That's what Pelosi wants in the bill. A mandated time that companies have to keep their workforce up to production standards while getting federal bailout money.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:33 PM
 
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Helping businesses that employ the most people will help the most people. What part of that is so hard to understand. Stop letting ideology (i.e. hate wealth and love poor) stop you from helping more people in the long run.
CEOs of big corporations stand to make the most out of these bailouts. Wages haven't gone up that most in the past several decades compared to CEO compensation. It's small and medium businesses and average Americans who need to get the most of the stimulus. If that's what you call loving the poor, then guilty as charged.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Give me a link besides breitbart and I'll believe it. This is nothing but their spin.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:37 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Until Coronavirus wiped out the hotel industry Trump was making millions a week just on the brand recognition on his hotels and casinos. Tell me you didn't know that. This present debacle is in part what comes of not INSISTING that he divest from his business concerns as has every other President before him!!
Trump was making millions before he ran for president. That’s why he was a billionaire. And last time I checked, you Leftists were glee with delight to point out how many of his properties are boycotted by Leftists so which is it? Is he making millions a week or not?
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You mean the right turning the bill into a giant slush fund? Bwahahhaa. No.
No lol

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But you are right-the left needs to not add amendments like that, they need to focus on helping americans, and push back against the rights focus on bailing out businesses and not people.
Agreed
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:39 PM
 
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Trump was making millions before he ran for president. That’s why he was a billionaire. And last time I checked, you Leftists were glee with delight to point out how many of his properties are boycotted by Leftists so which is it? Is he making millions a week or not?
Trump's sure ready to take the bailout money for himself. Gotta love a man who looks out for himself first and foremost.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/trump-...-his-business/
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Stop with the baseless lies and allegations. Trump is not going rob the treasury to line his pockets.

And if we are going to make claims of enriching oneself, Obama left office significantly richer than when he went in. Trump on the other hand will probably leave office poorer than when he went in simply because he hasn’t been making any money while he is president. So much for the bogus enriching himself lies.
Since when.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Let us see a quote from Pelosi or other ranking Democrat stating their position.

So far all on this list or in the news are Republican versions of what the Democrats want. That is an utterly impeachable source.
It was during the live Senate debate when Pelosi was outed as the one trying to sneak in garbage like the Green Deal. The Dems in the Senate dont like Pelosi telling them what to do either.

You don't understand who came up with all this in the house? You don't know which party controls the house? lol Make a guess.
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