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The people who call for extended lock-downs until they reach some arbitrary safe level of a statistic are the same people who will absolve themselves of any shortsightedness and unintended consequences with regard to the economy.
Leftists will achieve immediate self-absolution via "Well, our intentions were pure." And they'll blame republicans for not divining the future, the same as they didn't.
Because "Not his brain, his HEART."
That's what really matters. /sarc
Let's do what Sweden is doing. It's working. But leftists are going to resist this solution because to adopt that approach is to say the lock-downs were not the best approach to managing this pandemic. And leftists never say they were wrong. Ever.
ECONOMY is critical -- so let's use 150% resources to creating systems that allow people to go to work, without a vaccine but with systems that will help to mitigate the spread.
Testing/tracing....nation wide, consistent policies and procedures.
The people who call for extended lock-downs until they reach some arbitrary safe level of a statistic are the same people who will absolve themselves of any shortsightedness and unintended consequences with regard to the economy.
Leftists will achieve immediate self-absolution via "Well, our intentions were pure." And they'll blame republicans for not divining the future, the same as they didn't.
Because "Not his brain, his HEART."
That's what really matters. /sarc
Let's do what Sweden is doing. It's working. But leftists are going to resist this solution because to adopt that approach is to say the lock-downs were not the best approach to managing this pandemic. And leftists never say they were wrong. Ever.
We have no definitive SCIENTIFIC MEDICAL proof Sweden's strategy has worked.
We don't know yet -- the experiment is not nearly completed.
And if we jump in before we know the full results we have way more to lose
So yeah -- let's implement some policies/procedures to allow the economy to get going and give people the confidence that safety is a priority and that IF herd immunity policy is not working -- we will have the systems in place to identify quickly and easily,
Most of the things that help the economy are not going to reopen now anyway because of this virus. People are not going to be traveling because there is no tourism right now. And there won't be any tourism for this year probably because you got quarantine before and after you go anywhere Beyond borders. Disney won't open. People are not going on cruise ships. Hotels are pretty much shut down.
Then there are sports. No sports teams are playing currently and may not play for the rest of the year. That will likely hurt stadiums but they're maybe not going to start playing this year.
Things like entertainment concerts, festivals Etc are being canceled left and right
Things that help the economy aren't going to even be around.
How much do tattoo parlors help the economy??? Not much I don't think. They belong to a niche market. Hair salons??
Restaurants would have to open at limited capacity.
So even if you do open your state not everything will be open. Might as well wait and do it the right way at the right time.
Actually what this debate is coming down to is people who believe the science vs people who believe the economy is too important to believe the science.
That's both needlessly condescending and in my opinion wrong. I think it comes down to those who believe the science and refuse to consider anything else, and those who believe the science(or believe most of it but are skeptical of some of the specifics) but don't believe it is the only factor.
Perhaps those in the former group have not felt the negative effects of the economic shutdown or feel they will benefit from it somehow, either financially or politically. Perhaps those in the latter group have felt the effects or are empathetic towards those who have and think a broken economy could kill as many or more people than the virus itself, and/or think they will benefit from a reopened economy, either financially or politically.
There are some yahoos who don't believe the science at all or believe the whole thing is a hoax, but that's kind of a different animal.
Actually what this debate is coming down to is people who believe the science vs people who believe the economy is too important to believe the science.
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Originally Posted by jacqueg
This whole debate comes down to the key difference between liberals and conservatives: Liberals like to apply science-based planning and conservatives go with "muh money".
No, it's neither liberal vs. conservative, nor science vs. "muh money". It's about those who recognize that human life has a finite dollar value, and those who don't. It's about appreciating that trade-offs are inevitable, or not.
Here's an analogy: some people are convinced that "western medicine" is bunk, and instead prefer herbs or faith-healing or whatever. So, if they get cancer, they refuse chemo or surgery. But others might refuse chemo or surgery, not because they disbelieve in the effectiveness of western medicine, but because either (1) they think that the travails and debilitations of treatment aren't worth even a complete cure, and (2) they're approaching end-of-life anyway, and cancer is just an early departure on an inevitable ride.
And by the way, if you like science, and want to see more research in science, more promulgation of science, more education in science... well, you know what we need for that? "Muh money"!
Given that the vast majority of hospitals are empty and many health care workers are on furlough, I question that it was ever about overloading hospitals, either.
So the slowdown and stay at home orders are working then. Why would you want to end that and put the hospitals over capacity?
This whole debate comes down to the key difference between liberals and conservatives: Liberals go with what "feels" right, and conservatives apply logic.
LOL. Yeah, those damn liberals listening to medical experts over a reality television star. Sorry, Rachel, but following people who know what they're talking about does "feel right" to me because that's the "logical" thing to do. Trump suporters base everything off of how it reflects back on Trump. No logic there whatsoever.
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