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As a Canadian, I just can't see how or why this is even possible. It is immoral, it is unethical, it is unthinking that someone who needs critical care is denied because... of insurance!!!!
The urgent care facility refused to see him, referring him instead to another hospital. Why are there still some Americans who are not absolutely outraged at this? Why are there so many who don't see healthcare as a HUMAN right, especially critical and urgent care?
I'm sure there are some here who are perfectly OK with the system that allows this. I will never understand you and your excuses.
I've said it quite a few times but here goes again: This simply isn't true. Oh there may be specific clinics that will turn you away, but you're not gonna die.
I was suffering congenital heart failure at the tail end of 2016. I was working as a contractor for a company that was shutting down their plants in the area. Insurance wasn't part of the deal. My family relied on Medicaid. Sure, there were some hospitals that wouldn't have taken Medicaid, but I simply went to the ones that did, got thoroughly checked out, got triple bypass surgery and got a bill for something like $59. Found out after the fact that the Cardiology department that saved my life was one of the top 3 Cardiology departments in Illinois, Iowa, Indiana and Wisconsin. Not bad for not having private insurance.
You're better off being on private health insurance here in the USA, but nobody is simply going to let you die. I've lived it. I know better.
Our healthcare system has a lot of flaws. Lack of competition between insurance providers and a lot of nitpicky "we don't cover that" nonsense that goes on. And the prices charged by hospitals are absolutely insane!! We definitely need to fix a whole host of things. Hopefully, the current pandemic blows the doors off the status quo and forces our corrupt politicians to address the underlying problems.
You cannot legally be denied emergency medical care in the U.S.
Please research prior to posting anymore incorrect info. Thanks. Even for those that have no insurance or money, you cannot be denied medical care. You will be billed for that medical care.
.....and once you receive the bill you can contact the financial department and request assistance with paying the bill. Based on income they will reduce the bill. Urgent care sent them to the hospital because they knew that they were not equipped to treat him at this point. He needed hospital care.
Thank you...IIRC you are Canadian, so I appreciate your first-hand knowledge and experience.
The problem I have is the apparent contradiction between your link that clearly states no supplemental insurance is required and the one I posted that indicates "many major insurance plans" and "multiple forms of payment" are accepted.
Either way the 17-year-old dies in Canada on the way to the ER too, so the thread title and the supporting article are both bull ****.
Your link is for an urgent care centre in Windsor, Connecticut, USA, not Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Check your addresses next time
There is no contradiction
You do not need supplemental insurance in Canada to go to an urgent care centre, clinic, doctors, specialist, hospital etc in Canada. You are fully covered under your provincial health plan.
The thread title is NOT BS. As stated over and over, that 17 year old would NEVER be turned away in Canada because of lack of insurance, regardless if it's an urgent care centre or not.
We give to other countries to help with their problems because we are the richest country and the world leader. That’s what leadership involves.
And that's a really stupid prideful attitude that needs to stop. America is a barely functioning country. Our government is trillions in debt plus facing a looming pension crisis. And every American is up to their eyeballs in debt (mortgage, credit card, school debt, car loans). And actually, the migrants at our southern border are better off financially than Americans for having nothing in the type of debt we all have.
America does not need to be number one in anything.
And btw, American children don't need to be the best in scholastics globally. Our children are already American citizens, so they don't need to jump through hoops to be here. Asian students have tiger parents, and they strive to succeed academically in order to get a chance to immigrate to the US or other First World country. And American children can never compete in the same way, because there is no need to. America is throwing a ton of money away trying to make every child Harvard and MIT-worthy.
And no teachers should not be paid more or placed on any pedestals. In these days of closed school buildings and home schooling, our school teachers obviously have done a terrible job of teaching the parents... judging by how so few of them are able to help their children with their grade school homework. Our American school system is broken.
And that's a really stupid prideful attitude that needs to stop. America is a barely functioning country. Our government is trillions in debt plus facing a looming pension crisis. And every American is up to their eyeballs in debt (mortgage, credit card, school debt, car loans). And actually, the migrants at our southern border are better off financially than Americans for having nothing in the type of debt we all have.
America does not need to be number one in anything.
And btw, American children don't need to be the best in scholastics globally. Our children are already American citizens, so they don't need to jump through hoops to be here. Asian students have tiger parents, and they strive to succeed academically in order to get a chance to immigrate to the US or other First World country. And American children can never compete in the same way, because there is no need to. America is throwing a ton of money away trying to make every child Harvard and MIT-worthy.
And no teachers should not be paid more or placed on any pedestals. In these days of closed school buildings and home schooling, our school teachers obviously have done a terrible job of teaching the parents... judging by how so few of them are able to help their children with their grade school homework. Our American school system is broken.
In all sincerity, why are you here if you hate this Country so much?
BTW normstad, how would you feel if Mexico and the US sent busloads of Central American migrants directly up to Canada to deal with??? Healthcare being some special right is all well and good when your country doesn't have the problem with illegals like the US does.
I'm a firm believer in universal healthcare and legal immigration, but I couldn't agree more with you. Spot on.
Canada has a protective geography (and climate), which means that Canadians have no clue what it's like to have a huge number of migrants illegally walking and flying into their country. They simply have no experience with it, and they probably never will.
There are many illegals here in Tennessee, so I can only imagine the numbers in places like SoCal, Arizona, and Texas.
I'm Canadian (dual citizen), and I KNOW that if Canada had similar numbers of people illegally entering the country and enjoying its many social benefits (and straining them in some cases), Canadians would freak. You can bet on it.
Your link is for an urgent care centre in Windsor, Connecticut, USA, not Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Check your addresses next time
There is no contradiction
You do not need supplemental insurance in Canada to go to an urgent care centre, clinic, doctors, specialist, hospital etc in Canada. You are fully covered under your provincial health plan.
The thread title is NOT BS. As stated over and over, that 17 year old would NEVER be turned away in Canada because of lack of insurance, regardless if it's an urgent care centre or not.
the tread title is BS because:
1. the 17yrs old has many medical problems..it was not COVID that killed him
2. the kids father, who worked for the state, and also tested positive with COVID, HAS family insurance, so therefore the kid (17) did have insurance... which ends the thread
1. the 17yrs old has many medical problems..it was not COVID that killed him
2. the kids father, who worked for the state, and also tested positive with COVID, HAS family insurance, so therefore the kid (17) did have insurance... which ends the thread
All reports that I can see say that they backed up on the Covid diagnosis, but no where does it state he had insurance. Can you provide a link that states that he definitely had insurance?
The reports also state that on Friday he was perfectly fine and did not have many medical problems.
"Both Parris and Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said the boy did not have preexisting health conditions, which are known to increase the severity of COVID-19.
"He had been sick for a few days; he had no previous health conditions. On the Friday before he died, he was healthy; he was socializing with his friends," Parris said. "By Wednesday, he was dead."
I don't get how this is a talking point. Your private insurance gives you access to everything in a reasonable time, no waiting? Mine doesn't. Also, there's still private medical providers in Canada. You still have freedom to choose
This has been covered many, many times on CD, including this thread.
I'll save you looking, here is a link from earlier on in this thread.
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