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Old 03-29-2020, 10:11 AM
 
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Here is the CDC website for the leading causes of death in the USA.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm

Lower respiratory diseases cause about 150,000 deaths a year and influenza and pneumonia cause about 50,000 deaths a year.

So Dr. Fauci's prediction seems reasonable.

The panic is due to the novelty of COVID-19, not the deadliness. If you look at the numbers it's higher than usual but only by a factor of two or three. The probability of death is still very low, especially for non-at-risk populations. The panic is an emotional reaction.

 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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1. The regular flu is really many many different strands of viruses.

2. The regular flu isn't as contagious.

3. The regular flu isn't as deadly.

4. The regular flu doesn't threaten to overwhelm hospitals around the world to the point that care falls. How many countries have pushed off non-flu related healthcare and surgeries due to dealing with this mess?
Yes, and mind you, 100K-200K is the projected fatality count even with all the many significant measures we are taking. If we were doing little to nothing, as many people advocated earlier and some fools still advocate now, the fatalities would be in the millions.
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:13 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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1. The regular flu is really many many different strands of viruses.

2. The regular flu isn't as contagious.

3. The regular flu isn't as deadly.

4. The regular flu doesn't threaten to overwhelm hospitals around the world to the point that care falls. How many countries have pushed off non-flu related healthcare and surgeries due to dealing with this mess?
But the regular flu ends up killing millions year after year after year.
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:14 AM
 
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But states and communities are taking action, so some people will use the good effects of those actions to argue that those actions are not needed.
The burden of proof is on those who call for extraordinary action, not those who call for routine action. That's how null hypotheses work.

Can you quantify both the good and the bad that have stemmed from our response thus far?
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:16 AM
 
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Yes, and mind you, 100K-200K is the projected fatality count even with all the many significant measures we are taking. If we were doing little to nothing, as many people advocated earlier and some fools still advocate now, the fatalities would be in the millions.
Do you have any evidence of this?
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:17 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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100k is best case scenario. 1+ million more likely. This virus started with wealthy travelers and their friends, once it reaches the working class the mortality rate will skyrocket with our huge population of unhealthy people. Working class people are mostly ignoring warnings in my experience.
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Do you have any evidence of this?
A little common sense tells you that, but yes, the pros have been predicting that, so I am not freelancing when I say that.
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Meanwhile, how many dies just from the regular flu?
Irrelevant when we are projecting this virus. Diminishing the threat is just plain ole denial. The plan is to lower those numbers if people just listen and obey the rules !
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:21 AM
 
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This is not what you want to hear. Dr Fauci has been pressed many times for predictions, but has been cautious, and has stressed that the case count and the casualty count both are dependent on what we do, and that that story is still being written.

My read on this is that while this remains true, enough has already occurred, that some of the best-case scenarios that may have initially been within the scope of reasonable possibilities, can now be ruled out.

"Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government’s top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday".

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...ly-demand-help
Then when Trump defies the predictions by it actually being much , much lower he gets to do the
hot dog dance even more vigorously then he did at the impeachment fail/flop .
Come on Outdoor Dude , learn the drill !
 
Old 03-29-2020, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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This is not what you want to hear.



"Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government’s top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday".
It's true it isn't what I want to hear, but not for the reasons you think.

Faucci is not a bona fide coronavirologist.

Yes, there are scientists who are virologists, and then there are scientists who are coronavirologists.

Is Faucci a virologist or a coronavirologist?

No, he is neither.

Here, I'll show you what coronavirologists do:

Callow KA, Parry HF, Sergeant M, Tyrrell DA. The time course of the immune response to experimental coronavirus infection of man. Epidemiol Infect. 1990;105:435–446.

Oh, look this study....

McIntosh K, Kapikian AZ, Turner HC, Hartley JW, Parrott RH, Chanock RM. Seroepidemiologic studies of coronavirus infection in adults and children. Am J Epidemiol. 1970;91:585–592.

...is from 1970.

By the way, Dr. Tyrrell was one of the two virologists who discovered corona virus in 1965 in the UK.

You're using a Logical Fallacy called "Appeal to Authority."

Faucci might be an authority, but he is not an authority in virology and he most certainly isn't an authority in coronavirology.

I don't doubt that COVID-19 is a little more virulent than virus strains that cause URIs like corona and influenza and parainfluenza and RSV and adenovirus, but it is not particularly lethal.

Currently in Ohio:

1,406 of 11.7 Million residents tested positive.

344 of 1,406 have been hospitalized. The others either showed no symptoms or mild symptoms not warranting hospitalization.

123 of 344 are in ICU.

25 have died.

All of those who died were elderly, infants and those already on death's door.

That includes a child with less than 1 year of age. Since children less than 1 year cannot talk, they cannot convey to their parent(s) that they cannot breathe. All they can do is cry. By the time the parent realized the child was in respiratory distress, it was too late.
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