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Old 04-02-2020, 08:47 PM
 
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I was told at WholeFoods they wouldn't take my reusable bags, so I had to pack my own groceries.
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Old 04-02-2020, 08:47 PM
 
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That was one city, not even the largest city in California. And San Francisco was only able to do it because they had passed a more restrictive bag law before the state law passed. As of last I heard everywhere else in the state still has to collect the $0.10 tax/fine and the store can't legally give a bag pay the tax/fine for their customer.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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If people don't have jobs the economy will, you know, like, collapse. Oh yeah, and we'll get even sicker for lack of resources to administer health care to anyone anywhere.

What's the equivalent clear and obvious trade-off of forcing people to use reusable bags?

If the government keeps paying people like it is in this bill that Trump signed last week, the economy will be fine. People who want to work will still work. There's no incentive here for many people.


The clear and obvious trade off of reusable bags is less pollution. Plastic ends up everywhere. Oil companies want you to use plastic and are sponsoring recycling programs (where the vast majority doesn't even get recycled) just to create demand. We don't need to feed oil companies when there are alternatives.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:37 PM
 
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If the government keeps paying people like it is in this bill that Trump signed last week, the economy will be fine. People who want to work will still work. There's no incentive here for many people.


The clear and obvious trade off of reusable bags is less pollution. Plastic ends up everywhere. Oil companies want you to use plastic and are sponsoring recycling programs (where the vast majority doesn't even get recycled) just to create demand. We don't need to feed oil companies when there are alternatives.
Yeah, I'm sure the oil companies derive at least, would you guess, 30 to 40% of their revenues from plastic shopping bags?

The benefits you state of using plastic bags are not a trade-off, it's a benefit. But what are the trade-offs those benefits set off against? Or do you believe there are all costs and no benefits to using disposable plastic bags versus all benefits and no costs to using re-usable bags?
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:41 PM
 
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That's not a trade-off, that's a benefit. But what is the trade-off that benefit set off against? Or do you believe there are all costs and no benefits to using plastic bags versus all benefits and no costs to using re-usable bags?

I misread your post. You're correct. It's a benefit. The challenges that come to mind:


1. During times like these, it's not as safe (mostly because of #2 below).
2. It takes time and effort to keep reusable bags clean (a lot of people are lazy)
3. Now that groceries are delivered to homes, reusable bags present a logistical issue.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:25 PM
 
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^^So in short, there's a resource allocation trade-off between reusable and disposable bags that doesn't make one clearly preferable to another from a public policy perspective. Not to mention we've long known reusable grocery bags increase the incidence of illness and disease -- it's just this knowledge has now come into very acute focus for obvious reasons.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:28 PM
 
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Not to mention we've long known reusable grocery bags increase the incidence of illness and disease -- it's just this knowledge has now come into very acute focus for obvious reasons.

The studies I've read mentioned that people don't regularly clean their reusable bags. It's no wonder that it could cause illness. That's like never washing hands. It's just gross and out of pure laziness.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:28 PM
 
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I've never brought my own bags. They get full of germs and you have to wash them every time you bring groceries home.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:31 PM
 
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I've never brought my own bags. They get full of germs and you have to wash them every time you bring groceries home.

I have a washing machine that makes it much easier to wash.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:44 PM
 
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The studies I've read mentioned that people don't regularly clean their reusable bags. It's no wonder that it could cause illness. That's like never washing hands. It's just gross and out of pure laziness.
And if they did, that adds another resource impact balancing act into the equation -- the costs and environmental impact of increased water usage and detergents over the useful life of a reusable bag versus said impact of whatever number of disposable bags are offset during the reusable bag's service life. And then there's the respective material and energy inputs of manufacturing a reusable bag versus X number of comparable disposable bags.

The environmental externalities of one versus the other are difficult to capture, but the relative economic costs are not. The marketplace clearly favored disposable bags for a reason.
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