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Old 03-31-2020, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Trump had to keep talking about his drug cocktail. It's time for him to shut up.

Now spinning the question on what would have the curve been if we started taking the threat seriously in late January and February.

 
Old 03-31-2020, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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With almost everybody at home, people will have the time to actually enjoy April. Watch for the birds, watch the trees to become green again, watch the flowers sprout. Spring is a great time to be home and enjoy the natural world.

In our go go go, work work work, 24/7 world, many people have missed out on the joys of spring for many years. This year more will have the time to notice.
as long as they're getting paid, of course.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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no, you were PROJECTING, and especially in a partisan fashion, without any proof or data whatsoever.
The proof is in the article. McConnell is acting like his lord and master.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:01 PM
 
Location: *
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I know Trump is an easy target because he acted slowly to this crisis.

But if we're being brutally honest a lot of western countries have acted too slowly. Italy has, Spain has, Sweden has, Belgium has, UK Sweden and The Netherlands even enacted in herding, which was even worse policy than the US has ever enacted, i.e. a policy of deliberately allowing the virus to spread on purpose to create immunity, which those countries have walked back on.

I honestly don't know how much better a democrat president being in charge would've made much difference. Where I do think there would be a difference, and IMO Trump's biggest problem, is messaging. The messaging from a democratic president would be much more disciplined, and these press conferences would be better. Trump continues to waffle too much, the less he speaks the better.

But lets not pretend the democrats would've somehow avoided this pandemic, the bulk of the 100,000-200,000 deaths would certainly happen under them too. We're trying to mitigate as many deaths as possible, but a lot of it is inevitable given there is simply no vaccine to work with.
Compared to South Korea.

"But more than what the president was saying, it was what his administration wasn’t doing that led to such a catastrophe. Unlike South Korea here is how reporters at the New York Times described what happened."

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As the deadly virus from China spread with ferocity across the United States between late January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen — because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels according to interviews with more than 50 current and former public health officials, administration officials, senior scientists and company executives.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country — armed with some of the most highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists — squandered its best chance of containing the virus’s spread. Instead, Americans were left largely blind to the scale of a looming public health catastrophe.
Stephen Bannon's goal of "deconstruction of the administrative state" apparently backfired. Let's face it, it's a 'spite store government'.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Raymond James Stadium, FL
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That's why there has to be strict laws. Too many people won't do the right thing unless they're forced to.
We have laws in place where I am. They just don't care. It's on private property, so not sure what can be done. They are wondering why I won't go over there to join them.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Raymond James Stadium, FL
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And too many laws will be ignored just as they are now, why not remind them OP its a much simpler first step.
I did. They looked confused as to why I thought it was an issue. They kept inviting me to join them. I declined.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Both Trump and Pence have spun like tops not willing to admit they missed the beginning of the virus and ignored it.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Yes, I can see that. I am more interested in pre-existing medical conditions though. All we seem to have on that are anecdotes.
They may break it out for the US, but worldinfo does the mortality rate by age, and it does co-morbidity factors.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by SharpshooterTom View Post
I know Trump is an easy target because he acted slowly to this crisis.

But if we're being brutally honest a lot of western countries have acted too slowly. Italy has, Spain has, Sweden has, Belgium has, UK Sweden and The Netherlands even enacted in herding, which was even worse policy than the US has ever enacted, i.e. a policy of deliberately allowing the virus to spread on purpose to create immunity.

I honestly don't know how much better a democrat president being in charge would've made much difference. Where I do think there would be a difference, and IMO Trump's biggest problem, is messaging. The messaging from the democrats would be much more disciplined, and these press conferences would be better. Trump continues to waffle too much.

But lets not pretend the democrats would've somehow avoided this pandemic, the bulk of the 100,000-200,000 deaths would certainly happen under them too. We're trying to mitigate as many deaths as possible, but a lot of it is inevitable given there is no vaccine to work with.
No city, county, state or country is prepared for a once in a 100 year global pandemic.

No one knows how anyone else would have handled it, better, worse or the same. It’s just partisan hooey.

No question Trump’s messaging has been atrocious. He seems to have turned a corner this past weekend although he stumbled yesterday when he felt compelled to go off on a tangent about TV viewership ratings and blew the per capita testing think as it relates to South Korea. Nothing quite like saying “ I know South Korea better than anybody” and then proving you know nothing.

Thus far today, he seems to be doing well and deferring to Drs Fauci and Birx, as appropriate.
Sobering medical projections based on NY/ NJ ( canary in the coal mine) - optimistically 83,000 deaths by August.

Spoke too soon.... he’s off on an impeachment tangent.

Shoulda/ woulda/ coulda cut this briefing off.

Last edited by middle-aged mom; 03-31-2020 at 05:21 PM..
 
Old 03-31-2020, 05:08 PM
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Yup, its up to the individual. I see people blowing up on social media, goin bonkers about staying home. Ive concluded that some people dont have a clue how to cook or be with their kids for more than a couple hours at a time.
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