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Old 04-05-2020, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound View Post
Florida appears to be doing better. If today totals less than 1260 it would be the 4th day since it peaked and started declining. All the talk of it being the next New York appear to be unfounded.
There is no reason for optimism in Florida and it is not remotely peaking.

 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Taiko View Post
And exactly what do South Korean, German and Icelandic law say about the powers of the chief executives and the interactions of their various governmental agencies?
What?
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
There is no reason for optimism in Florida and it is not remotely peaking.

Clearly the numbers are a reason for optimism.

4/2 1458
4/3 1260
4/4 1272
4/5 606 (not complete)
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Lol. You missed couple of dates:

Mid January - Germany, Korea, etc. have the testing figured out and ready to deploy on a mass scale.
20th of March (or about), US is dead last in testing per capita among the developed and not so developed countries. Even behind some much smaller countries in TOTAL number of tests done.
29th of March. US is still behind Germany in total number of tests. Germany's population 1/4 of that of US.
Today (or about) - testing capability in US nowhere where it needs to be considering the current situation. Germany's capability - 500k per week with imminent ramp up to 200k a day.

And before you say that testing does not matter. Early testing combined with smart tracking approaches is what made all the difference in Korea. They have it under control. Do we?
Not quite.

South Korea, for example, didn't even have their own CDC approval on a test til the first week of February.

They were fast - they had experience because of the 2015 MERS outbreak - but also because they weren't bogged down in the traditional red tape of governement as the US was ... and went directly to the private sector.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I think we can all (or vast majority) agree that our federal, and (most) state, governments were ill-equipped to deal with this pandemic.

How much of it (lack of preparedness) do you attribute to:

Trump's 3.25 years in office?

Obama's 8 years in office just prior?

Other politicians from years past to today that off-shored so much medical-related production?

If the sitting President owns 100% of everything that happens in his/her watch, then why were Dems (& Obama) blaming Bush for years after Bush's term ended?

How much of it (lack of preparedness) do you attribute to:

Federal Government?

State Government?

City/County Government?

Private industry, and healthcare systems?

Did you know that it's each State's primary responsibility to insure they have the proper medical infrastructure, & supplies, to manage pandemic's, & the Fed's role is back-up?

New York not having its own health dept's suggested # of respirators on-hand, isn't a Fed issue. It is the Feds job to back-up NY's shortfall, as best it can, but it was a big shortage.

If this had occurred 3.5 years ago, how would have Obama's CDC & FDA been any better prepared to roll-out the tests than Trump's CDC & FDA did? Nothing changed in those departments in the the past 3.5 years that would have impacted the outcome. Trump did nothing to lessen their capabilities.

Given these considerations, much of Trump bashing by the left, is misplaced.

To say Obama has zero blame, Governor's have zero blame, or; prior politicians, private industry, & healthcare systems, carry no blame, is grossly inaccurate.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:27 PM
 
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This website recently added testing statistics to their data.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If you remove Spain and Italy from the discussion, the US is looking to be right in the pack compared to countries like the UK, France, Germany etc.

Unfortunately, Canada is starting to look like they're on that same bad trajectory as us but a week or two lagged. I hope not.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by Chuckity View Post
Not quite.

South Korea, for example, didn't even have their own CDC approval on a test til the first week of February.

They were fast - they had experience because of the 2015 MERS outbreak - but also because they weren't bogged down in the traditional red tape of governement as the US was ... and went directly to the private sector.
Well Americans insisted on tough, strict regulations for protection and the FDA obliged.
And that was our downfall in not getting tests from WHO

We over regulated ourselves into a corner.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Originally Posted by serger View Post
What?
We are a government of laws, Germany, South Korea and other nations have different laws spelling out exactly what their leader can do and how much he can do. They have laws spelling out how all their different agencies interact. The godhead, or devil, political figure just doesn't say jump and everyone ask was that high enough as they fall to earth.

If you can't answer how South Korean or German agencies interact with each other according to their laws then you can't use them as an example of the godhead political leader being able to do something. That is asking the President equivalent of any nation to use super natural powers to enforce his will upon all others.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post

If this had occurred 3.5 years ago, how would have Obama's CDC & FDA been any better prepared to roll-out the tests than Trump's CDC & FDA did? Nothing changed in those departments in the the past 3.5 years that would have impacted the outcome. Trump did nothing to lessen their capabilities.
The only change would've been the tone of media's reporting.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound View Post
Perhaps look at the numbers before making such a comment.
It's indeterminate right now for FL imo.

There was a slight drop in new cases yesterday but that may not be signifiant unless that maintains for multiple days in a row.
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