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Old 04-04-2020, 08:05 AM
 
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Captain was relieved of duty because he stood up for those he was responsible for.

Can you imagine waiting dilly dallying around with memos, faxes, and letters with a ship full of increasingly sick sailors?

The person who should be relieved of duty was his commanding officer, and all those higher up who ignored the Captain until it got to this point. .
His leaks caused a political fallout for the secretary. You don't do that. In the military, you follow orders and protocols you don't necessarily agree with. Deviating from that behavior does not make you a hero or a whistle-blower.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:07 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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His leaks caused a political fallout for the secretary. You don't do that. In the military, you follow orders and protocols you don't necessarily agree with. Deviating from that behavior does not make you a hero or a whistle-blower.
No it doesn't and it sets the worst example for your subordinates. Non-vets will never get that.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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That is my impression as well. There are a lot of never served commenting on this as if they are experts. Never wore a uniform but they know.
They might post as if they are experts, but they are religious fundamentalist whose religion is a political party. Thus their godhead, greater power the political leader is responsible for everything and makes every decision.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:32 AM
 
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That's true. The BBC showed the video of the captain leaving the ship. There was a huge crowd applauding him, and quite rightly too.
When Stalin and Mao died, tens of millions of people were crying.

That means what?
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:33 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Military retiree here. You?

You think those sailors are going to start usurping the chain of command now? You know, out of respect and principle?
Same, retired Navy here. I don't believe they will usurp the COC anymore than they usually try..
Ships crews are pretty tight knit especially on deployment and they see this as their Captain put his neck on the block for them, everyone knows that he sacrificed his career.

I understand why he was relieved but it is still unclear what steps were tried prior to this letter to his superiors. I wish an Admiral would make a statement because I have no respect for the "temporarily appointed SecNav" who I doubt ever served 1 day in uniform.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:42 AM
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When Stalin and Mao died, tens of millions of people were crying.

That means what?
It means you probably have never served and don't understand what it means to be part of a crew on a US Navy warship....
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:42 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Same, retired Navy here. I don't believe they will usurp the COC anymore than they usually try..
Ships crews are pretty tight knit especially on deployment and they see this as their Captain put his neck on the block for them, everyone knows that he sacrificed his career.

I understand why he was relieved but it is still unclear what steps were tried prior to this letter to his superiors. I wish an Admiral would make a statement because I have no respect for the "temporarily appointed SecNav" who I doubt ever served 1 day in uniform.
An apology, or an admission to being a dumbass who runs his mouth before checking if he's right, might be in order:



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Thomas B. Modly
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Thomas B. Modly began serving as the Acting Secretary of the Navy as of Nov. 25, 2019. Previously, from July 15, 2019, he had been performing the duties of the Secretary of the Navy.

Mr. Modly was sworn in as the 33rd Under Secretary of the Navy Dec. 4, 2017, and serves as Chief Management Officer and Chief Information Officer for the Department of the Navy. He is the son of Eastern European immigrants who escaped from behind the Iron Curtain after World War II. He was raised in Cleveland, Ohio...……………………………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..


Mr. Modly graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1983 with a Bachelor of Science, with distinction. Upon graduation he joined the United States Navy and proudly served as an UH-1N pilot and an Assistant Professor of Political Science at the U.S. Air Force Academy. He left active duty in 1990 to attend business school and to pursue a career in the private sector. As a midshipman at the Naval Academy, Mr. Modly also attended Georgetown University where he began work on a Master of Arts in Government/International Relations. He completed this degree prior to starting flight school in Pensacola in early 1984. He also attended Harvard Business School from 1990 to 1992 where he earned a Master’s in Business Administration with Honors with a concentration in Business, Government and Strategy.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I agree with this General. Taking orders from the Pentagon filled with Acting Secretary's so stuck on procedure and not on the front is not the way to run the military.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEzjAT4nPFU
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:50 AM
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An apology, or an admission to being a dumbass who runs his mouth before checking if he's right, might be in order:



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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE


Coronavirus Update
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Our Story
Newsroom
Resources



Thomas B. Modly
Acting Secretary of the Navy





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Thomas B. Modly began serving as the Acting Secretary of the Navy as of Nov. 25, 2019. Previously, from July 15, 2019, he had been performing the duties of the Secretary of the Navy.

Mr. Modly was sworn in as the 33rd Under Secretary of the Navy Dec. 4, 2017, and serves as Chief Management Officer and Chief Information Officer for the Department of the Navy. He is the son of Eastern European immigrants who escaped from behind the Iron Curtain after World War II. He was raised in Cleveland, Ohio...……………………………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..


Mr. Modly graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1983 with a Bachelor of Science, with distinction. Upon graduation he joined the United States Navy and proudly served as an UH-1N pilot and an Assistant Professor of Political Science at the U.S. Air Force Academy. He left active duty in 1990 to attend business school and to pursue a career in the private sector. As a midshipman at the Naval Academy, Mr. Modly also attended Georgetown University where he began work on a Master of Arts in Government/International Relations. He completed this degree prior to starting flight school in Pensacola in early 1984. He also attended Harvard Business School from 1990 to 1992 where he earned a Master’s in Business Administration with Honors with a concentration in Business, Government and Strategy.
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Thank you I see he did serve so I will stand corrected on that point but has worked most of his life in the private sector before his political appointment. As for your dumbass comments you can keep them to yourself..
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Old 04-04-2020, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Captain was relieved of duty because he stood up for those he was responsible for.

Can you imagine waiting dilly dallying around with memos, faxes, and letters with a ship full of increasingly sick sailors?

The person who should be relieved of duty was his commanding officer, and all those higher up who ignored the Captain until it got to this point. .
i take it that you never served a single day in the military.
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