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Although not Navy, I agree! I'm US Army, retired, and had a top secret clearance. For the commanding officer of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to basically throw the President of the United States and Secretary of Defense under the bus was WAY BEYOND STUPID, and showed a TREMENDOUS lack of judgement! He meant well, but got what he deserved.
Actually his task force and theatre commanders were thrown under the bus. It is only because some see this as a swipe at the President that they cheer the Captain. Flip the administration to 5 years ago half of them would not care about one Captain being forced from a command earlier than scheduled..
Many in America today may not like it but we are a Republic with a civilian government. All this talk about the Secretary of The Navy not being 'qualified' to relieve Crozier is BS. Our government is not a military junta. What should be most disturbing to anyone thinking about this is that the Secretary of The Navy even had to get involved. This should have been taken care of by a flag officer of the Pacific Fleet. It is teling about the guts of these men and women that they didn't do their job and I guarantee you our enemies are probably just as stunned as I am that our military is so decrepit as to be incapable of making a decision in the top ranks.
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What sarcasm? You ran your mouth without checking and got caught. The first is what needs to be kept to oneself.
Crozier's dismissal is his dismissal. What you were doing is too common, trying to ruin someone's reputation without even bothering to check if you're right.
And I already stated that I stand corrected on his service, but ruin someone's reputation that's a stretch. He has led his career "as a civilian prior to his political appointment about 3 years ago" which is not much different than most serving in this roll. He's the 3rd person under this president and has yet to be confirmed, just acting. But it looks like he wasn't the right man because Kenneth Braithwaite was nominated on March 2nd for the role of Secretary of the Navy.
Many in America today may not like it but we are a Republic with a civilian government. All this talk about the Secretary of The Navy not being 'qualified' to relieve Crozier is BS. Our government is not a military junta. What should be most disturbing to anyone thinking about this is that the Secretary of The Navy even had to get involved. This should have been taken care of by a flag officer of the Pacific Fleet. It is teling about the guts of these men and women that they didn't do their job and I guarantee you our enemies are probably just as stunned as I am that our military is so decrepit as to be incapable of making a decision in the top ranks.
I am of the opinion the relief of the Captain did happen at that level. However the reporter class had access to the government suit (SECNAV) who was part of their social class so that is who we see speaking on the issue.
General Washington: "We need help at Valley Forge NOW! anything you can send ... blankets, shoes, potatoes .. the men are at risk of dying here!"
Continental Congress: "'You're fired."
that's a dumb comparison.
Washington was the supreme leader of Continental Army. Washington's rank is equivalent to the modern time Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley. They are the top of the food chain in the US armed forces
USS Theodore's captain is an O-6 officer. There are a lot of officers above him in the chain of command.
Taiko, I hope you're right. It's very demoralizing to think otherwise but you're probably right about the press too. They tell what they want, when they want, and how they want. To paraphrase Dan Rather; "The news is what we say is news." A lot of times it seems the Fourth Estate is more like a Fifth Column.
Many in America today may not like it but we are a Republic with a civilian government. All this talk about the Secretary of The Navy not being 'qualified' to relieve Crozier is BS. Our government is not a military junta. What should be most disturbing to anyone thinking about this is that the Secretary of The Navy even had to get involved. This should have been taken care of by a flag officer of the Pacific Fleet. It is teling about the guts of these men and women that they didn't do their job and I guarantee you our enemies are probably just as stunned as I am that our military is so decrepit as to be incapable of making a decision in the top ranks.
I agree with you. When I was in the Army, my company commander (0-3) was relieved from his duty for DUI arrest. The battalion commander (0-5) signed the paper, not Secretary of the Army.
Even in law enforcement the top boss is a civilian elected official like the city mayor, not the police chief. The police chief terminates/fires his officers. Anybody heard of a city mayor (instead of the police chief) firing an officer for wrong doing. wtf?!
Many in America today may not like it but we are a Republic with a civilian government. All this talk about the Secretary of The Navy not being 'qualified' to relieve Crozier is BS. Our government is not a military junta. What should be most disturbing to anyone thinking about this is that the Secretary of The Navy even had to get involved. This should have been taken care of by a flag officer of the Pacific Fleet. It is teling about the guts of these men and women that they didn't do their job and I guarantee you our enemies are probably just as stunned as I am that our military is so decrepit as to be incapable of making a decision in the top ranks.
Or the admiral(s) did not think the issue rose to the level where removal from command was needed.
In this case, because of the security breech, the announcement probably was determined to be more properly announced by the civilian authority.
If you don't think those hard ass 3 and 4 stars are pissed, think again.
No doubt about it. From what I understand, the good Captain didn't even talk to the flag Admiral on board his own ship. He went for the end around.
As a sailor I want to stick up for the Captain, but I can't, there is a reason we follow the chain of command. The fall out from breaking it is just starting. People aren't seeing the entire picture.
Why wasn't the XO given temporary command? That would be the normal first step after relieving a CO. Why didn't the 2 star Admiral on board the TR assign a commander? This Captain has trashed more than his own career.
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