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Old 03-31-2020, 10:37 PM
 
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Economy is open. It isn't doing well but it is open.

People are working, not enough people, people are spending, saving, investing.
It's just not a good economy.

It never closed.

It won't be 'opened'.
Our economy is screwed. No one is working except essential personnel. Many small businesses will never recover.

 
Old 04-01-2020, 03:20 AM
 
Location: California
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The sooner things open back up the better, Trump and anyone with a brain get this. OF COURSE we have to weigh this against the impact of the virus, Trump and anyone with a brain get this too. As soon as it seems like our healthcare system can handle the influx of those needing treatment we will come out of most quarantine. The goal isn't to prevent people from getting sick as much as it's to prevent people from getting sick all at once and before anyone is prepared. We are preparing now.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Our economy is screwed. No one is working except essential personnel. Many small businesses will never recover.
But it isn't closed. Yes it has tanked. But it isn't closed.

Trump never closed the economy.
Trump can't open the economy.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 08:10 AM
 
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It was pretty obvious Easter was not possibly going to be a time to open up the economy. There's no possible way we'll be able to open it up by April 30 either...so why is Trump even saying that he's considering it?

Even if they manage to "flatten the curve" by April 30...that's just going to mean we'll have to continue with the shutdown longer so that it continues to drop so that it has a long term effect.

We're looking at months of shutdown...pretty obviously...unless we engage in some Chinese-style, police state enforcement, which nobody seems to have had an interest in so far...so it looks like we're going for the longer, more free, route of flattening the curve.

Once the...whatever number of weeks it takes...period of "flattening the curve" is over and the rate of infection ceases exponentially rising, that'll mean more weeks spent with at least the same level of economic shutdown we've had so far. After the rate of infection actually drops for awhile...even then we'll still need to be quite careful...especially if we don't have enough testing options to determine where outbreaks are occurring quickly. Certain businesses may just be totally screwed for the next two years.

I give it two or three months, minimum, before we're able to open up any more businesses than are closed now, at all...and we'll probably need to be more strict about social distancing and making sure businesses in more areas remain closed before then too, because it doesn't seem like we've flattened the curve with our current precautions quite yet.

So...why has Trump been (hopefully) lying about opening up the economy so soon? He's been promising that since he first started talking about what to do about this virus. Is there some economic advantage that outweighs the confusion being caused to businesses and individuals or something I haven't thought of yet?

If we open up the economy too early, that'll cause a recession anyway from the panic. It'll also, probably, cause millions of deaths...and citizens will probably start demanding that we re-close down the economy once they see those deaths anyway.
Obviously the OP has trouble discerning what is a statement of hope and a lie.

Trump will never win with some people.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 08:11 AM
 
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The language 'Trump to open economy'...gives Trump way more power than he has on the economy.

The economy was in the longest growth period we have ever seen. 10 years of steady job growth....cumulative gains in investment, cumulative gains in unemployment rates.

Trump didn't stop it before the virus or now. That's good.

But when the virus is mitigated and we are able to return to what we would call 'normal' life -- the economy should slowly gain strength because the factor -- the virus -- that crashed it -- artificially caused the crash.

We don't know if it will be slow and steady growth or quicker than we anticipate.

People won't jump back into work when this govt. says -- okay open for business...they will jump back in when they feel safe.

And that will depend on local factors even more than national ones.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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You're talking to a liberal hysteric there. Their whole reason for existence is to trash President Trump (even during a nationwide crisis), lie about him, and generally try to fool people into not voting for him. So they'll accuse him of "lying" even when they know all he actually said was "It would nice if we could do X, I'd really like that".

You have to get used to liberals. They have all the credibility of a dog baying at the moon.
Ain't that the truth!
 
Old 04-01-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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You're talking to a liberal hysteric there. Their whole reason for existence is to trash President Trump (even during a nationwide crisis), lie about him, and generally try to fool people into not voting for him. So they'll accuse him of "lying" even when they know all he actually said was "It would nice if we could do X, I'd really like that".

You have to get used to liberals. They have all the credibility of a dog baying at the moon.
You do realize that Trump is liberal himself, right? His big government agenda and massive spending is as liberal as it gets.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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You're talking to a liberal hysteric there. Their whole reason for existence is to trash President Trump (even during a nationwide crisis), lie about him, and generally try to fool people into not voting for him. So they'll accuse him of "lying" even when they know all he actually said was "It would nice if we could do X, I'd really like that".

You have to get used to liberals. They have all the credibility of a dog baying at the moon.
Lots of conservatives don't like Trump.

Naive to think anyone who is critical of Trump is a liberal.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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The sooner things open back up the better, Trump and anyone with a brain get this. OF COURSE we have to weigh this against the impact of the virus, Trump and anyone with a brain get this too. As soon as it seems like our healthcare system can handle the influx of those needing treatment we will come out of most quarantine. The goal isn't to prevent people from getting sick as much as it's to prevent people from getting sick all at once and before anyone is prepared. We are preparing now.
I agree...and that's why April 30 is an impossible date for that. Most of the spread of the disease has to be gone before we even consider that...or everything we've done so far will be like giving a second bucket to someone trying to keep the Titanic from sinking by bailing water out. That second bucket will help...but it's not going to do a lick of good until you do something to plug up quite a few of the holes.

The time to open up the economy again is after the bulk of the virus is mostly gone and we can shoot down small outbreaks here and there with local quarantines...not anytime before then or it'll just bounce back immediately in full force.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 06:57 PM
 
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98% of what he says are lies or insults or the like....so as to why, that would be a question for a mental health professional. He's pre-programmed in some way.

But, OTOH, he wouldn't do it if he didn't have a big audiences that believed it. I remember a very smart person telling me...long ago...that many "mentally ill" people would stop being so if no one reacted. Now, surely he wasn't 100% correct (brain problems, etc.), but the shoe fits for many. Attention=Energy and the fact is the Trump could not complete on the playing field of normal life - so being a Carnival Barking Clown (Actor, etc.) is his way.
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