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Old 04-02-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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The OP has already seen all this.

He/she continues to flood the forum with disinformation.
LOL yes, citing CDC flu death numbers is "disinformation."



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Old 04-02-2020, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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The thing that people fail to consider: If there are 500K deaths worldwide per year from the flu and COVID-19 adds another 500K (it's going to be more, but let's use that number for now), you now have twice as many dead people. The world is used to the deaths from the flu. They aren't ready for twice as many deaths.

So not only are people dying from the flu at a higher rate than usual this year. Now those patients have to compete for hospital beds with COVID-19 patients. Treatment for cases of COVID-19 that have gone critical are much more complex and intense than critical flu cases.

"It's just the flu bro!" is a blatant failure at math and logic.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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By the CDC's own estimates the flu kills approximately 30,000 - 60,000 per year in the United States. CNN claimed the 2017-2018 flu season killed 80,000+ people just in the US. And this is all with a vaccine that is supposedly "effective" according to the "experts."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/healt...-bn/index.html


The coronavirus to date in the United States, without a vaccine, has killed 5,125 people.
And a few days before, the coronavirus killed half that number.

But you have already established your lack of math skills on this forum. You also still have not comprehended the concept of swamping the medical system so badly, people cannot get treated, even the many people with non-virus related issues, which would add to more deaths. How you have failed time and time again to understand this, yet keep posting the same absurd threads day after day is beyond me.

When every expert in the world has stated the above and this is not a flu, but much, much worse, and numerous countries throughout the world have taken lock down actions, and hell, when was the last time a US aircraft carrier ever had to pull into port and evacuate a lot of its crew for the flu? When was the last time a hospital was absolutely swamped with flu cases and ran extremely shirt of supplies like our CD doctor has been working in every day? But you do not get it, you never will.

And you medical credentials? Zero, you have no education nor experience in this field to be counter what experts around the world have been saying.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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The thing that people fail to consider: If there are 500K deaths worldwide per year from the flu and COVID-19 adds another 500K (it's going to be more, but let's use that number for now), you now have twice as many dead people. The world is used to the deaths from the flu. They aren't ready for twice as many deaths.

So not only are people dying from the flu at a higher rate than usual this year. Now those patients have to compete for hospital beds with COVID-19 patients. Treatment for cases of COVID-19 that have gone critical are much more complex and intense than critical flu cases.

"It's just the flu bro!" is a blatant failure at math and logic.

Under that same thinking, you could say the same thing about the Swine Flu, which the CDC estimates between the spring of 2009 and the spring of 2010, the Swine Flu infected as many as 1.4 billion people across the world and killed between 151,700 and 575,400 people.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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Very extreme.

I'm not for forced social distancing being an anarchist but it still grinds my gears to see people complain about having to slow their roll for a month or so. Society is based on being social and a lot of times for no reason whatsoever.
I think it is in our DNA. Primates are social animals.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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Oh, but COVID19 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DEADLY!
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Influenza is already endemic, and cases are spread out in location and over time. All our local acute medical services have cared for and have adapted to caring for an occasional serious influenza case.

Not so with covid19 yet. So right now the worry is large numbers of serious cases overloading local HC capabilities. Then the sht has officially hit the fan. As in Italy. We really want to avoid a series of Italy like experiences cropping up all over the USA in the near future.
That and it going widespread and overwhelming HC everywhere. As overwhelmed as NY is, it's still NY. They're much more able to handle that kind of overload than Missoula.
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Old 04-02-2020, 01:00 PM
 
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When was the last time a hospital was absolutely swamped with flu cases and ran extremely shirt of supplies like our CD doctor has been working in every day? But you do not get it, you never will.
I don't agree with any points in your previous post, but I will address this one specifically. Not all hospitals across the country are "swamped." Not even close. When you build fever-pitch hysteria in the media about a "deadly virus" a lot of people are going to go to the hospital that otherwise wouldn't.

It sounds like you are consuming a lot of hysterical media coverage on a daily basis. It isn't good for you. Take a trip outside and enjoy a deep breath or two of fresh air lol.
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Old 04-02-2020, 01:03 PM
 
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Under that same thinking, you could say the same thing about the Swine Flu, which the CDC estimates between the spring of 2009 and the spring of 2010, the Swine Flu infected as many as 1.4 billion people across the world and killed between 151,700 and 575,400 people.
Under your thinking; let me ask you a question; with all of these Flu deaths the CDC listed, do you ever once recall whole hospitals, every hospital in some countries, with their ICU units, recovery units, every available bed and even temporary parking lot hospitals springing up. Do you ever recall every single healthcare professional interviewed saying this is unlike anything they've ever seen before?

It could be presumed every single country out there having to ramp up the coffin building, call back healthcare retirees, plead for volunteers, among a plethora of never before occurrences associated with this, have all seen more than one flu season come and go.

When they are ALL united in saying this is not just another flu season, why are you?
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Old 04-02-2020, 01:06 PM
 
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Popular thread, this is the third one.
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