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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD
As I said at the beginning of all of this, many doctors have been taking and using Hydroxychloroquine for a month before Trump even knew the name of the drug. Doctor chat rooms from all over the world were talking about anecdotal success with the drug since late January. We were not relying on a tiny study out of France. The laboratory science behind it is sound, as it was for past RNA viruses dating back 20 years. Will every person that gets it recover? No. Will every patient that doesn’t get it die? No.
Something that some people on the right don’t understand, Dr. Fauci said the absolute responsible thing for a man in his position.
Something some people on the left dont understand, Trumps optimism about the drug was not a stab in the dark.
My thing is, how come we do not see a decline in cases if this cocktail WORKED?
The drugs were not being presecribed enough early on because they were off-label, and not FDA approved for Covid-19, so Docs were afraid to prescribe them in large numbers likely due to malpractice fears.
Then, when the FDA aproved them, all the medical community began using them as a preventative barrier against becoming infected by patients. There was a supply shortage. The fact that Doctors were hoarding supply for themselves, and their family members speaks volumes about their effectiveness.
Also, more people are becoming infected than are taking the cocktail, and it takes 1-5 days for the cocktail to work. After a person recovers, it could take 3 days for their recovery to be shown in the stats we all see. There's a time lag.
So, lots of reasons, but they will all subside as supplies become more plentiful, and they are more widely used, and a few more days pass to offset the reporting delays.
I keep scouring the web looking for results from the NYC Cuomo-Trump tst of 1,100 sick Covid-19 patients that began March 24th...10 days ago. It was a 6-day test. Results have been known for 4 days, yet nothing can be found. Why? If they were bad results, we'd have heard about it to stop the Trump Drug rollout.
If has to be good news, but why not report it? I think its to prevent a run on those meds.
In scouring the web looking for those results, I found Dr. Zeleko's 698 NYC successfully treated patients article from a Middle Eastern newsletter. Dr. Zelesko's a Hasidic Jew, which is why it popped up in Israel, and other parts of the Middle East. I didnt know Hannity showed Zelesko's test to Pence just 1 day after I found out about it. I don't do cable tv. A Hannity staffer must have found out about Zelesko's test the same day I had. Pence told Trump about it, and Trump pushed even harder for FDA approval and to get the 1M doses from Israel.
I keep scouring the web looking for results from the NYC Cuomo-Trump tst of 1,100 sick Covid-19 patients that began March 24th...10 days ago. It was a 6-day test. Results have been known for 4 days, yet nothing can be found. Why? If they were bad results, we'd have heard about it to stop the Trump Drug rollout.
If has to be good news, but why not report it? I think its to prevent a run on those meds.
In scouring the web looking for those results, I found Dr. Zeleko's 698 NYC successfully treated patients article from a Middle Eastern newsletter. Dr. Zelesko's a Hasidic Jew, which is why it popped up in Israel, and other parts of the Middle East. I didnt know Hannity showed Zelesko's test to Pence just 1 day after I found out about it. I don't do cable tv. A Hannity staffer must have found out about Zelesko's test the same day I had. Pence told Trump about it, and Trump pushed even harder for FDA approval and to get the 1M doses from Israel.
Dr Zelesko is a quack. Literally no medical professional would ever go on the record saying something is 100% effective. It's impossible for anything to be 100% effective. And effective how? Preventing deaths? Fixing their high blood pressure?
It’s not a “completely different disease.” It’s a variant of SARS-CoV, hence SARS-CoV-2
Yes, it is. They're both coronaviruses that produce respiratory symptoms. That's why it's called SARS-CoV-2. They already had SARS-CoV-1, a completely different disease.
The drugs were not being presecribed enough early on because they were off-label, and not FDA approved for Covid-19, so Docs were afraid to prescribe them in large numbers likely due to malpractice fears.
Then, when the FDA aproved them, all the medical community began using them as a preventative barrier against becoming infected by patients. There was a supply shortage. The fact that Doctors were hoarding supply for themselves, and their family members speaks volumes about their effectiveness.
Also, more people are becoming infected than are taking the cocktail, and it takes 1-5 days for the cocktail to work. After a person recovers, it could take 3 days for their recovery to be shown in the stats we all see. There's a time lag.
So, lots of reasons, but they will all subside as supplies become more plentiful, and they are more widely used, and a few more days pass to offset the reporting delays.
And they aren't FDA-approved now and won't be anytime soon. Nobody is waiting around for the FDA approval because of some non-existent fear of malpractice. Trump can rant and rave all he wants and it isn't going to make the FDA approve them for use in Covid-19 next week, next month, or next year. No reason to. It's an approved drug for malaria so from the FDA's standpoint there's no reason for them to rush it through trials the way they would a non-approved drug. Doctors can just do what they're already doing and have been doing for the last 17 years when they started prescribing it for SARS.
Dr Zelesko is a quack. Literally no medical professional would ever go on the record saying something is 100% effective. It's impossible for anything to be 100% effective. And effective how? Preventing deaths? Fixing their high blood pressure?
This is what he said....
"Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen. Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea."
And they aren't FDA-approved now and won't be anytime soon. Nobody is waiting around for the FDA approval because of some non-existent fear of malpractice. Trump can rant and rave all he wants and it isn't going to make the FDA approve them for use in Covid-19 next week, next month, or next year. No reason to. It's an approved drug for malaria so from the FDA's standpoint there's no reason for them to rush it through trials the way they would a non-approved drug. Doctors can just do what they're already doing and have been doing for the last 17 years when they started prescribing it for SARS.
FDA Approves Anti-Malarial Drugs Chloroquine And Hydroxychloroquine For Emergency Coronavirus Treatment
The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency authorization for experimental coronavirus treatments using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, anti-malaria drugs touted by President Donald Trump despite inconclusive clinical proof of their efficacy.
The Department of Health and Human Services said Sunday hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine products can be distributed and prescribed by doctors through the Strategic National Stockpile “to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible.”
The agency is fast-tracking a process that usually takes years while the FDA conducts clinical trials in New York, a hot spot for the virus.
HHS said the emergency authorization was issued because the potential benefits of the product outweigh the risks and acknowledged that “anecdotal reports suggest that these drugs may offer some benefit in the treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients,” but cautioned that “clinical trials are needed to provide scientific evidence that these treatments are effective.”
The problem with this thread is that no one in it is posting from a hospital bed while hooked up to a ventilator. Not that I wish that on anyone but it would offer a much needed perspective that seems to be lacking in many of the replies I'm seeing.
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