Fact Check: Supply of Masks Depleted by 75% in 2009 (house of representatives, drugs, Barack Obama)
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Obama didnt use 75% of the national stockpile, he distributed it to the states. He then ordered the states to order more increasing their own stockpiles so that they didnt need a national one, just in case the national one couldnt be replenished(which is exactly what happened). Commercial companies could not keep up with those orders, creating a 3 year wait in some cases, and that doesnt include cancellations.
Again, but the info in the link, these Healthcare companies have been ordering none stop since then at 10 to 200X normal rate and still werent prepared. How is that Obama's fault ?????
Team Blue Cheerleader,
By giving 75% of the federal government's N95 masks away during an emergency in his first year in office, the Obama administration did "use" those supplies.
Any common sense would say to replenish those national emergency stockpiles to what they had been before the Swine Flu emergency. As another emergency could hit of equal or greater size.
Just as I have questioned Trump on this forum multiple times for not getting enough masks ready, this same issue is on Obama to any one being honest with information.
It is a dishonest lie to say that Obama couldn't replenish the N95 masks over the course of more than 7 years.
For example, every Lowes, Home Depot, and similar store location had hundreds in stock just a few months ago.
Had Obama started to resupply the N95 masks that he used in his first year, the manufacturers would increase supply with the increased orders and would have had SEVEN years to do it. The media is hounding Trump for not getting it done a couple months earlier.
You should be ashamed that you accept blatant failure so long as it is from Team Blue.
P.S. Trump has failed miserably with this Coronavirus response as have many other politicians including Republicans.
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Originally Posted by blahzay23
I don't know what Obama did after the Swine flu. What I know is that we never had a shortage of supplies when we needed it during his time.
What I also know was that Trump was specifically told that he needed more supplies to deal with a pandemic like this and had multiple warnings during his time in office to fix it.
It's like trying to blame Clinton for Bush not acting on information he was given about bin laden's plot.
Obama never had a shortage, but he would have had he been hit with another emergency the size of the Swine Flu in his first year in office, because he used 75% of the national stockpile and then chose to not replenish it over the course of the next 7 years.
The Obama administration was warned as well that they weren't prepared for a pandemic. Should have known that themselves when they flew through 75% of the national stockpile of masks and chose to not replace it.
P.S. Yes, Trump has failed. That doesn't mean that your Team Blue didn't make dangerous mistakes as well.
There are a lot of things that don't get funded in government until it's necessary. It's the nature of government. Pension plans, infrastructure bills, VA hospitals, etc. They get addressed when they become necessary.
You complaining about Obama not being proactive in replenishing his supplies and putting it on the same level as Trump not making sure he had enough supplies for what he was warned was coming sounds like partisan-griping.
If that was the case, Obama would be getting a lot less blame for his trillion-dollar deficits considering how much the previous administrations ran up in debt.
The Obama administration was warned and had 7 years to do a common sense thing.
I am finding fault with all obvious things of both parties.
You are making excuses for obvious faults of team blue.
Mr Obama...made sure he had enough masks for whatever pandemics he was warned about, and Mr Obama,who didn't have to do something and selfishly and irresponsibly did nothing for the American people, after his time in office.
But, this is not about one politician or another. Itis about the selfishness of American society.
The Germans are fairing much, much better because in general they are a society to lives, breaths, eats, drinks order, orderliness and following orders. Social pressure enforces compliance as much as any government mandate. And, yes they prepped, but again that is not dependent on one leader, or even a group. The good and the bad, it is who the German's are.
But, oh no, we are too selfish and myopically focused on party, identity, our very own navels to comply.
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Originally Posted by blahzay23
Here's what I see. Obama . He was never short on masks.
Trump was told we are short on masks, warned about addressing the supply, told that this particular strain would require us to bring up our supply.
You're in essence comparing someone who didn't have to do something with someone who was told they had to do it, and saying they're both culpable for it but getting done.
I'm not sure you know what "hindsight is 20/20" means. It doesn't mean that it was a good decision. It means that it's easier to see a better way to handle it given what we know now.
What ? It was a total fail on the Obama administration to use them and not replenish the national stockpile.
What ? It was a total fail on the Obama administration to use them and not replenish the national stockpile.
better way...my foot
So you think that keeping the stockpiles empty was the best thing we could have done? Please. They should have been replaced. Obama should have replaced them. Trump should have replaced them. Either way, keeping the stockpiles empty was not the best solution. How can you not see that?
Your analysis is good, but way too many words, political apologia, when the germane, the most important point is,
"We simply didnt have the infrastructure to do it."
This the crux of the matter. Being epitomized by Nafta, preceded by the great opening of China, driven by the corporate chase for profit, the United States gave away our national productive capacity, capability and pride.
For what?
Perot was right, God rest his soul.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
There is a discrepancy between the wording of the article itself and the quotes of the people in the article.
The actual article says there was a 3 year back up in orders, it never says it wasnt replenished. You have to go through a rabbit hole of links from USA to bloomberg to NBC, back to a previous bloomberg article then to this, but this is the actual source article.
Notice the publish date ( Published Online:1 Jun 2017)
So here is a run down of what the Article actually says.
1. in 2009, the Obama administration gave out 100 million PPE to the State health departments so that they would have this stuff as needed. It wasnt enough.
2. Manufacturers increased production to meet demand for orders that came in despite this, but were never able to keep up with those orders creating a 3 year backlog(not including the cancelled orders mentioned in the article). They reported this to the CDC.
3. The Obama administration, seeing the problem at hand, re evaluated CDC guidelines and told Healthcare companies and Healthcare systems to adhere to the new guidelines. H.C. companies and systems started ordering 10 to 200 times their normal numbers to comply with these standards, but again, cancellations and "capacity-percentage fulfillment" meant that none of these hospitals ever got what they needed.
So in short, no, the shortage isnt on Obama. Obama absolutely saw this coming and told everyone to prepare. We simply didnt have the infrastructure to do it.
The only way you can blame this on Obama is for you do an ideological 180, and say he should have federalized healthcare manufacturing and forced them to make PPE, opening new factories and hiring hundreds of thousands of workers.
Don't be partisan idiot. You strike as better than that.
What it matters is the giving away, giving up our nation's productive capacity. One can say that began with Mr Nixon, or Mr Cinton. It does not matter.
As long as 'we' persist in this partisan B.S., we will continue to settle into post-shining city on the hill mediocrity.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
The OP's link says that everyone has been asking for 10 years and that the companies making the supplies could never keep up.
Why is that the fault of Dems ?
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