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Old 04-23-2020, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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That's because the only people that doctors put on ventilators, are the patients who are in such bad shape they are already an inch from Death's door.

Covid-19 is particularly rough on the lungs, causing fluids (pneumonia) in the lungs, hardening and cracking, making it even harder to get air into and out of the lungs. Far worse than ordinary pneumonia or flu.

If they didn't put the patients who are that critical on ventilators, 98% of them (or more) would die. With the ventilator, 88% die.
as I believe I pointed out ... wasn't their "control group" like 80% death?

Yes, those being ventilated under the proper protocol are very far along, from what we're told.

 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:18 PM
 
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Just because POTUS suggests ideas which are not efficacious does not make him stupid. He may be naive but he cares enough to risk embarrassment of his ideas even though incorrect. Another reason to revere him. He is not PC so he not afraid of being wrong....
Trump lacks discernment. That’s a kind way to describe him. But, sure he’s...what is it...”not PC.”
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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you know, Trump mentioned remdesivir a month ago
...and in our worse cases, sometimes it works very well.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Trump lacks discernment. That’s a kind way to describe him. But, sure he’s...what is it...”not PC.”
He is not a doctor, it is his role to suggest what he thinks to make sure the team considers all opportunities and that is a leadership quality.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:21 PM
 
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He is not a doctor, it is his role to suggest what he thinks to make sure the team considers all opportunities and that is a leadership quality.
^^This is...a perspective to have.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Trump was talking about using uv light as a disinfectant.
From what I read, UV-C light can kill the virus, and burn human skin.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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^^This is...a perspective to have.
In most decision making groups there is one of two who is trained to suggest something completely random that does not make sense to everyone. The enemy is group think so the random idea, the idea that makes not a whit of sense turns out to work...Quinine is such an idea which the POTUS vaulted forward.

It does not work every time but it when it does, it is remarkable.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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From what I read, UV-C light can kill the virus, and burn human skin.
Ultraviolet light has disinfectant properties and is used in cleaning hospital rooms, manufacturing prior to packaging and others. It also has applications to sterilization in the hospitals however to my knowledge it does not have direct effect on the human body.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This virus is maddening. It seems that for every symptom or sign of the disease, there are a great number of people without that symptom.
Respiratory CoronaVirus is still an iceberg that has a lot of mass under the water. I don't get why people don't understand that.
 
Old 04-23-2020, 07:30 PM
 
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In most decision making groups there is one of two who is trained to suggest something completely random that does not make sense to everyone. The enemy is group think so the random idea, the idea that makes not a whit of sense turns out to work...Quinine is such an idea which the POTUS vaulted forward.

It does not work every time but it when it does, it is remarkable.
You gonna try it—I mean, the disinfectant approach? Bleach or Lysol or something? Personally, I don’t recommend it, but...I also think he’s a buffoon.

Birx doesn’t seem that impressed.

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