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Old 04-11-2020, 05:15 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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this kind of proves it doesn't it??
Yes, just look at Burundi with their measly 5 cases. That means their system is fantastic. We must therefore emulate poor, third world Burundi where their citizens still live in dirt floored huts.

 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Hasn't worked anywhere else in the world. South Koreans are now arresting people who violate quarantine and are planning to put electronic bracelets on those who they quarantine.
If we tried that here, we would quickly have a shortage of electronic bracelets (or should that be anklets?).
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:24 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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I don't get that accusation. In mid-January there were still very few cases in China and they did not rule out human-to-human transmission. They still had few cases, so statements about human-to-human transmission could only be guesswork.

If they had made the same statement in mid-February, it would have been another story.
BS. there were 104 cases by then and several deaths. person to person transmission was the only possible explanation.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Meh. I don't think it has anything to do with politics. NYC is one of the most densely populated cities, but so is San Francisco and Seattle.
San Fran and Seattle are pretty spread out compared to NYC.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:37 PM
 
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We are also much bigger than the European countries you are comparing us to. Apples to apples compare deaths per million not the raw numbers. In that measurement Spain and Italy have over five times as many deaths, The UK more than double and France more than triple.


So what big country has done the best so far? China. Should we emulate them?
Korea. They actually stopped it for the most part. However they got ready to mass test in January. During that time we did nothing.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:40 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yes, it's true that the raw numbers can be misleading. One way to correct for this is to count the number of deaths per million population instead of just throwing the raw number of deaths out there.

When counted as deaths per million population, the number for the US comes in at 62/million (for now). That doesn't seem anywhere near as daunting as the raw number of 200,000+ and counting. However 62 deaths per million places the US at 16th place among the world's nations for fatalities per million. Among others, Switzerland, France and the UK are doing even worse than we are.

Even so, when compiling the list of countries by deaths per million, one hundred and ninety four (194) nations have better scores than we do. Places like Portugal and Australia and Germany and Japan are doing better, so this number is not only just some artifact that comes from counting tiny countries like Singapore.

The larger countries that have done better than us include Germany and Australia. So far, Australia has conducted at least twice as many CV tests as we have. Perhaps we should emulate Australia.
Yesterday there was a weird spike in the number of new infections, but today it plummeted again, seems yesterday was just some data glitch or whatever. Phew!

The Portuguese are surprisingly disciplined regarding social distancing and staying at home.
93% of infected people self-isolate at home and are accompanied per telephone, online or house calls, so hospitals have enough beds left for expected serious cases, which account for only 1.5% of all cases currently.

Many of the deaths are old people in nursing homes.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:48 PM
 
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Maher is spot on.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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So the explosive contagion of this RNA virus is not only suspicious for actual airborne transmission but airborne in the context of social density. The contagion factor is far higher than H1N1 MERS and SARS and SARS was classified as airborne by WHO. (PLEASE no hijacking to diabribe about WHO)

The reason that is important is not about mutation so much as it explains the how and the why so many many people not only were affected but died as well. The cumulative viral load is one thing but recent evidence suggests that CV-19 actually prevents hemoglobin from entering the alveolar space. SARS created a cytokine storm thereby damaging the lungs. CV apparently does that as well as spare hemoglobin from the capillary beds.

Very tricky little fcker. The other reasons this is important is for reengaging work schools and activities of daily living. Getting it back in place in other words. I don't believe it's going to be a couple weeks until that day comes. I think it's going to be months....say August.

Sorry. Hope I'm incorrect.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 06:03 PM
 
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Korea. They actually stopped it for the most part. However they got ready to mass test in January. During that time we did nothing.
the cdc developed their test in January and started sending them to state labs.

so no. not ‘nothing.’

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If you have a confirmed case of Covid-19, chances are about 1 in 3 that you are in the USA. We are less than 5% of the world's population.

Dump Trump.
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And New York has more cases than any country on Earth, except of course, the country they are located in, the USA. New York, as of two days ago, had 44% of all the USA’s cases. It is probably higher now.

Dump Cuomo and DeBlassio.
^impeccable logic.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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So if your not an elderly or work in the medical field then testing at this moment for the rest of us isn’t a priority.
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