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Old 04-10-2020, 02:09 AM
 
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1. Is present spending in excess of what's needed to maintain basic social and economic cohesion?
2. Will present expansion of government serve as the model for permanent fiscal reform?

If you can prove either point, your joke may be justified, though you may need to work on it to make it a proper analogy (or funny).

Be careful not to confuse libertarianism with anarchocapitalism. That's quite a common misconception among the left.

Once again, you're just trying to argue over the amount of guilt. This is the classic "Your honor, my client is not THAT guilty." defense.


If you have to resort this line of defense, you've already lost the case.


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Old 04-10-2020, 02:24 AM
 
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Once again, you're just trying to argue over the amount of guilt. This is the classic "Your honor, my client is not THAT guilty." defense.


If you have to resort this line of defense, you've already lost the case.
I'm not a strict libertarian so I don't need to defend anything at all.

I'm sympathetic to those decrying the end of true capital markets and accurate price discovery (reversing decades spent expunging government from business). But I also appreciate that temporary stimulus or disaster relief is not the same thing as socialism.

The question here is, are you able to defend your own ideas?
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Old 04-10-2020, 03:21 AM
 
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I'm not a strict libertarian so I don't need to defend anything at all.

I'm sympathetic to those decrying the end of true capital markets and accurate price discovery (reversing decades spent expunging the government from business). But I also understand the basic idea that temporary stimulus isn't socialism.

Bearing that in mind, what's more interesting to me is, are you able to defend your ideas?

If you think the Trump stimulus is temporary then I don't know what to say to you, other than you obviously has a very different definition of "temporary" from most people. The stimulus has been present since the first year of Trump - from the farmers to the bankers to the corporations. The only difference is it has gotten a lot bigger. The entire Trump economy is about stimulus.

I find it boring to defend the obvious.

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Old 04-10-2020, 03:39 AM
 
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If you think the Trump stimulus is temporary then I don't know what to say to you, other than you obviously has a very different definition of "temporary" from most people. The stimulus has been present since the first year of Trump - from the farmers to the bankers to the corporations. The only difference is it has gotten a lot bigger. The entire Trump economy is about stimulus.

I find it boring to defend the obvious.
'Temporary' refers to the COVID-19 relief package. I think you know we're not talking about Fed intervention in and of itself.

Do you have reason (other than 'orange man bad') to believe disaster relief will continue long after the disaster is gone?
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Old 04-10-2020, 03:40 AM
 
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'Temporary' refers to COVID-19 relief package. Not to the concept of Fed intervention in and of itself.

Do you think that the multi-trillion dollar relief packages will continue after the dust settles?

I like how you pick and chose which facts suit your argument.


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Old 04-10-2020, 04:05 AM
 
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I like how you pick and chose which facts suit your argument.
I'm not making any arguments here at all. Remember, I'm not bothered by the idea of Fed intervention in itself.

The question is whether or not you have good reason to believe that the present intervention:

1. Is in excess of what's needed to prevent the country going full Mad Max.
2. Will continue beyond necessity long after the dust settles.

The thread title refers to coronavirus, so it's obvious we're talking specifically about the COVID-19 relief package.

There would be no point in me obfuscating terminology when I'm the one asking you the questions.
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Park City, UT
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You would have no food then if the farms fail.
The main issue with farms is that most of them are outdated, using old technology.
To think that people still have to pick fruit in the 21st century is frankly asinine.

We could have robots doing the fruit picking if we cared to actually invest in our future.
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Old 04-10-2020, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The democrats are the party of the rich.
So are the Republicans, no doubt.
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