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Americans don't want to do the work. Period. None of us on this forum want to go work for 8 bucks an hour picking fruit in the hot sun for 12 hours 6 days a week. No benifits no medical no vacation no sick days. Yeah. Sign me up ....
Living in a house/dorm with 20 strangers, not seeing your family but sending every cent you can back to them. Not to mention it only being a seasonal job and you would need another to survive the rest of the year.
It absolutely is an issue and is not a good thing. But that is the reality. Stronger border controls aren't going to end that. Our entire society deciding to open up their wallets more to pay more for food, landscaping, construction, janitorial services, etc and taking a cut to their own luxuries to do so is the only real answer.
Yes, they are. The Bernie Sanders faction was pro working-class, and look what happened to him when it looked like he might win the nomination.
But are the Republicans any better? They are still the party that wants to dismantle all protections and programs for working class people.
The reality is that neither party represents working class Americans, because both parties are funded by large corporations. Our democracy has been completely captured by the corporate elite. We are more like a plutocracy than a democracy or republic.
This is certainly true, but the war for working Americans is being waged within the Republican ranks, exclusively.
Democrats have paid lip service to better wages and more worker friendly trade deals while supporting effectively open borders and one-way trade arrangements.
HINT: It is not the republican Party, nor the Conservative/Libertarian movement, that is becoming more delusional with every passing day.
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Ohh really? Who is in power and what are they doing? Yeah. Nice try
The Democrats control the House by a margin of about 30 seats; Donald Trump is a Republican-of-convenience only, Divided government has been a feature within the Beltway for nearly thirty years, and a quantum shift seems unlikely.
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Living in a house/dorm with 20 strangers, not seeing your family but sending every cent you can back to them.
It absolutely is an issue and is not a good thing. But that is the reality. Stronger border controls aren't going to end that. Our entire society deciding to open up their wallets more to pay more for food, landscaping, janitorial services, etc and taking a cut to their own luxuries to do so is the only real answer.
All while being demonized and hiding in plain sight. The genie is out of the bottle. Until robots replace ALL menial workers Americans will vote with their wallets and continue to consume low prices goods and services. Want a burger ? 30 bucks. Want some Chinese food ? 50 bucks. Gotta pay American workers .
The farmers do not want to higher Americans, they are poor quality workers in the fields compared to the illegals (who are hardy and can work all day with good output). And yes, most don't want those jobs anyway.
Americans are looking for full-time year round jobs, not seasonal ones. Besides, most unemployed Americans live in urban or suburban areas. How are they supposed to get to the farms? Are you willing to volunteer your time and your vehicle to get them there?
More and more, farmers are turning to automation. With automation, far fewer workers will be needed.
Why do you think illegals work so hard? It's because they know they have no business being here. So if they complain, they have no job.
Besides, there is an agricultural visa program that has no caps on it. There is no excuse for farmers to be using illegals.
They are valuable to our economy as an exploited class with little to no protection and pittance wages. Our socio-economic machine drives this, not individuals deciding whether to hop a fence. Want to put an end to it in no time at all? Start arresting business owners/CEOs of companies that employ them. But nobody in power really wants to fix the issue because the people like their cheap food. Anyone that fixes it is going to have to deal with the fallout of food prices potentially tripling.
Americans are looking for full-time year round jobs, not seasonal ones. Besides, most unemployed Americans live in urban or suburban areas. How are they supposed to get to the farms? Are you willing to volunteer your time and your vehicle to get them there?
More and more, farmers are turning to automation. With automation, far fewer workers will be needed.
Why do you think illegals work so hard? It's because they know they have no business being here. So if they complain, they have no job.
Besides, there is an agricultural visa program that has no caps on it. There is no excuse for farmers to be using illegals.
Yes I should have said seasonal agricultural workers. Some of them are definitely here legally.
So if undocumented immigrants are so valuable in our economy why don't they form a line and apply for legal residency and then apply for US Citizenship later?
OK, easy enough. They do.
That's why the immigration system is hugely backlogged with caps.
But as soon as they got said Citizenship they would cease to be valuable to those jobs and the cycle repeats.
The whole immigration thing is a big she'll game. In a capitalist society like ours business owners do NOT want to pay high wages for less efficient workers. Capitalists love cheap labor. You can't outsource the cooks and waiters in your restaurant. You can't outsource your farm workers. Ahhhh. But you can hire undocumented workers who will do what you ask for pennies.
This doesn't answer my question...you want to come work in the USA, do it the legal way, is this hard to do really? If there are no undocumented immigrants to hire would the company/business go away? Hell no! They will charge me more by about 2-3 cents...okay so what?
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