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Old 04-10-2020, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Simply put, with our resources, we should’ve done far better than Europe or anywhere else.

I’m embarrassed and disappointed.
We have done much better than most of Europe but much worse than Asia and Africa and South America, the question is why.

My theories that the reason some nations have such little spread are:

1. Asians have a stronger immunity to this virus
2. Cultures in the malaria belt that take the Trump drug regularly have an extremely low infection rate
3. Nations that were hot when the virus hit have a low infection spread
4. Not sure why but USA death rates are multiple times lower than most of Western Europe
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Old 04-10-2020, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
I see this -

Current deaths per million:

USA - 49
Denmark - 41
Portugal - 40
Austria - 33
Germany - 29
Liechtenstein - 26
Monaco - 26
Slovenia - 21
Norway - 20
Iceland - 18
Estonia - 18
Canada - 13
[etc.]
They asked you to leave out Spain and Italy, but you also left out:

San Marino - 1002
Andorra - 337
Belgium - 260
France - 187
St. Maarten - 187
Netherlands - 147
UK - 132
Switzerland - 116
Luxembourg - 86
Sweden - 86
Bermuda - 64

source:https://www.worldometers.info/corona...XWcQ#countries
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Old 04-10-2020, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Boston
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half the deaths in US have been in 2 states. Let's get this wrapped up.
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Old 04-10-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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We have done much better than most of Europe but much worse than Asia and Africa and South America, the question is why.

My theories that the reason some nations have such little spread are:

1. Asians have a stronger immunity to this virus
2. Cultures in the malaria belt that take the Trump drug regularly have an extremely low infection rate
3. Nations that were hot when the virus hit have a low infection spread
4. Not sure why but USA death rates are multiple times lower than most of Western Europe
I don't buy #1
#2 - no way. All measured by Chinese, etc.
#3 - it is one factor, but Albany GA and SE Florida are fairly well infected. But still...it will slightly change the R.
#4 - Western Europe is super-crowded, has vast amount of mobility (spread), large areas with elder populations and multi-generational families (Italy) living together.

An easier way to look at the USA is that we did 90% of the stuff wrong in the first two months. Now we are only going 60% of the stuff wrong - and most of that is not controlled by We The People. At this point we need the tests and the data and patience.

When you do things wrong - in ANY situation, the results are worse than they could be. That is a no-brainer.

Remember, SK spread was mostly due to a single Fundamentalists Christian Sect. Those people changed and apologized. In the USA we still have "sects" having services and it was many weeks in by the time we stopped most church and other services.

It's really not hard. If we don't wear hard hats on a construction site, more people will get hurt.
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Old 04-10-2020, 11:45 AM
 
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I don't buy #1
#2 - no way. All measured by Chinese, etc.
#3 - it is one factor, but Albany GA and SE Florida are fairly well infected. But still...it will slightly change the R.
#4 - Western Europe is super-crowded, has vast amount of mobility (spread), large areas with elder populations and multi-generational families (Italy) living together.

An easier way to look at the USA is that we did 90% of the stuff wrong in the first two months. Now we are only going 60% of the stuff wrong - and most of that is not controlled by We The People. At this point we need the tests and the data and patience.

When you do things wrong - in ANY situation, the results are worse than they could be. That is a no-brainer.

Remember, SK spread was mostly due to a single Fundamentalists Christian Sect. Those people changed and apologized. In the USA we still have "sects" having services and it was many weeks in by the time we stopped most church and other services.

It's really not hard. If we don't wear hard hats on a construction site, more people will get hurt.
Its quite rare when we both agree on something, but this is one of those times!
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Old 04-10-2020, 11:49 AM
 
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Not-that-bad or not-that-high: How advocates of a return to normal misrepresent coronavirus deaths.

Advocates like Bill O'Reilly and Britt Hume and of course Tucker Carlson.

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To advocate for a quick or immediate return to America as normal, one must figure out how to rationalize the fact that this week alone, tens of thousands of people have died of covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. You can’t simply say, "open up the economy and let the bodies fall where they may.” Instead, we get two different arguments: “open up the economy because the number of deaths is comparable to other causes,” or “open up the economy because the number of deaths isn’t as high as suggested.”

Both of those arguments, though, have significant flaws.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...avirus-deaths/

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Old 04-10-2020, 12:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tall Traveler View Post
We have done much better than most of Europe but much worse than Asia and Africa and South America, the question is why.

My theories that the reason some nations have such little spread are:

1. Asians have a stronger immunity to this virus
2. Cultures in the malaria belt that take the Trump drug regularly have an extremely low infection rate
3. Nations that were hot when the virus hit have a low infection spread
4. Not sure why but USA death rates are multiple times lower than most of Western Europe
1) China is lying about their total cases by an order of magnitude
2) Several countries are at different points of the curve and also don't report as much. Give Africa and South America time before good comparisons can be made and even then....grain of salt.
3) People aren't as kissy face\ huggy here as a greeting. Italy\Spain\France much more so.
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Old 04-10-2020, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
I don't buy #1
#2 - no way. All measured by Chinese, etc.
#3 - it is one factor, but Albany GA and SE Florida are fairly well infected. But still...it will slightly change the R.
#4 - Western Europe is super-crowded, has vast amount of mobility (spread), large areas with elder populations and multi-generational families (Italy) living together.

An easier way to look at the USA is that we did 90% of the stuff wrong in the first two months. Now we are only going 60% of the stuff wrong - and most of that is not controlled by We The People. At this point we need the tests and the data and patience.

When you do things wrong - in ANY situation, the results are worse than they could be. That is a no-brainer.

Remember, SK spread was mostly due to a single Fundamentalists Christian Sect. Those people changed and apologized. In the USA we still have "sects" having services and it was many weeks in by the time we stopped most church and other services.

It's really not hard. If we don't wear hard hats on a construction site, more people will get hurt.
It's not just China, it's all Asian nations have a very low infection and death rate....Japan, S. Korea, China, Malaysia, Mongolia, Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand area all very low compared to nations with European DNA prominence. So you don't have to buy it but it's a great theory that I thought up and the only reason I can logic out why Asian infections and death are so low.

Georgia and Florida were not hot when the virus hit, not even close.

I agree dense is a factor but not in Asia.
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Old 04-10-2020, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yes hospitals are govt authorized,managed, regulated etc. so by necessity they are political. Why would they inflate numbers? Means more $$$$ funneled their way. There is a real incentive to game stats. Same reason why cops plant drugs on people, in cars, homes etc.
Maybe its different in Canada or you just dont understand the reality of the situation.

And no I'm not denying the virus can be lethal for a certain segment of the population
Sounds like you are making a case for universal healthcare.
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Old 04-10-2020, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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1) China is lying about their total cases by an order of magnitude
2) Several countries are at different points of the curve and also don't report as much. Give Africa and South America time before good comparisons can be made and even then....grain of salt.
3) People aren't as kissy face\ huggy here as a greeting. Italy\Spain\France much more so.
1) 50 Asian nations can't all be lying
2) Again, all nations in the malaria belt have low infections, gotta be a reason.
3) Yeah I think the culture of Italy and Spain hurt them in this virus...same for New Orleans
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