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Old 04-10-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Diana Holbrook View Post
It's not good, that's for sure, but your hyperbole about the economics is no better than hyperbole about the virus killing us all. We should be able to afford a few weeks without destroying ourselves. It has only been a few weeks of reduced activity, for which we're sending a lot of temporary aid.

We'll get through this. I'm sure of it.
Not hyperbole. The cure is worse than the disease.

Blue states have taken hostages, and negotiations have temporarily broken down, won't pick up the phone.

 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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If you look at the model curves there is the same amount of area under them. The same number of people get it, but they are spread out over more time. It's a "flatter" curve, not a "smaller" curve.
Yep. If you trust the "experts"-the same number of people are going to get severe cases requiring hospitalization. If you want to get this over with as soon as possible, and move past this-you get those people sick as soon as possible, and as many as possible, without overloading the health care system. It's questionable if that is true-but if you go by the experts and "flatten the curve" argument that's the way to go.
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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And you're fighting zinc/hydroxychloroquine clinical protocols widely used to successfully treat patients.

You have no vaccine.

You've kept tens of millions of previously employed people from working.

The virus is still there.

The economy is in tatters. Divorce, domestic violence, personal financial ruin, businesses destroyed, mortgage crises ricocheting through the commercial and residential sectors, evictions, increased physiological risks from reduced exercise,....


Don't worry. Just listen to the "experts" and stay under house arrest for the rest of your life. The experts are never ever wrong, or could not have any hidden agendas. Stay under house arrest 24/7 and bathe in hand sanitizer every hour on the dot. The new American way!
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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It was a part of a cocktail of drugs her doctors prescribed. What was the precise composition of that cocktail? What, if any preexisting conditions did she have, or not? She mentioned Lyme Disease. Is she obese, diabetic, hypertension, heart disease- factors that increase the severity.

No question she felt very sick. Nonetheless, she was not sick enough to be hospitalized. Would she have likely recovered, anyway?

Have her lungs been scanned for residual damage?

China threw everything and the kitchen sink at the virus. It concluded Chloroquine MAY help reduce symptoms and hospital stays in some people, some of the time.

Because Trump said is noise. The data will drive the conclusions.
And all we get from the responsible "experts" at the CDC and USAMRIID is "we don't know" and "it's not proven, we'll run a trial". And by the time government bureaucrats run their trials, write their reports, dot the Is and cross the Ts, it will be 2 years and the virus will be nothing but a memory. Remember the SARS vaccine?
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:20 AM
 
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This is patently false. What's being fought is a non-scientific, snake-oil approach.
Says the person not dying of coronavirus... I think I know what you'll say otherwise ..
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Not hyperbole. The cure is worse than the disease.

Blue states have taken hostages, and negotiations have temporarily broken down, won't pick up the phone.
Those who are using hyperbole never admit they are using hyperbole.

We had to shut it down.... and we will need to start it back up. The timing of doing that will require the same level of public support that shutting it down did. You are part of that changing tide. Carry on... do your best to convince people it's time, but understand, everyone gets it. We know the country needs to open back up. The only issue is when.

I'm ready too.
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:36 AM
 
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Suppose the curve is flattened. Then what? You have a bunch of uninfected people with no antibodies.

Those people will still be at risk, but hopefully there will be beds and ventilators enough if they should need one. That is the whole point of flattening (or bending) the curve, to improve the survival rate and give more people a chance to escape the ravages of this plague later.

It definitely will reach a doorknob near everyone, eventually. It will reach every county and borough and city ward. It will reach every small town, every hamlet and some day every inhabited farm and the surfaces of farm machinery.

Ideally, if people can remain safe long enough, some reliable vaccines may become available later and the stress levels we are all experiencing will gradually recede. If enough people become immune (through experience with it or through a vaccine) then there will be a certain degree of herd immunity and people will take it for granted, then the anti-vaxxers will pop their heads up again with their il-conceived arguments.
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:37 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Widely used. A Democratic MI state rep was just treated with it and credits it and Trump.

And more:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc
Science is used to correct for human bias. I'll wait for the study results.
 
Old 04-10-2020, 11:43 AM
 
Location: NYC
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OP, report back when you've gone out and acquired the immunity yourself by getting sick. Until then, it's just talk. Also we can watch to see how Sweden fares since they are trying the herd immunity approach.
 
Old 04-10-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
Suppose the curve is flattened. Then what? You have a bunch of uninfected people with no antibodies.

Those people will still be at risk, but hopefully there will be beds and ventilators enough if they should need one. That is the whole point of flattening (or bending) the curve, to improve the survival rate and give more people a chance to escape the ravages of this plague later.

It definitely will reach a doorknob near everyone, eventually. It will reach every county and borough and city ward. It will reach every small town, every hamlet and some day every inhabited farm and the surfaces of farm machinery.

Ideally, if people can remain safe long enough, some reliable vaccines may become available later and the stress levels we are all experiencing will gradually recede. If enough people become immune (through experience with it or through a vaccine) then there will be a certain degree of herd immunity and people will take it for granted, then the anti-vaxxers will pop their heads up again with their il-conceived arguments.
Pretty reasonable assessment. How exactly did the Spanish Flu end? No affirmative answer, but the common theory is that influenza viruses weaken and become less lethal over time.
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