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Old 04-12-2020, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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That $123K figure is an average total comp package figure. I you challenge me on it i will make you look bad, so do your homework first.
sorry but the AVERAGE total comp figure is much lower


the average government worker makes 60k (28.84/hr)


there is NO other compensation unless you are talking paid leave...which the average GS worker gets 156hrs(3.9 weeks) of annual leave in a year, and 104hrs of sick leave(2.6 weeks) per year which is worth about 7k for the year
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:13 PM
 
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It sure would be reassuring right now to be a; City, County, State, Fed Gov't worker, having 100% of your paychecks & benefits coming in, as usual.

Meanwhile, most of the unemployment, furloughs, lost healthcare coverages, and pay reductions, are hitting the private sector like a Mack truck.

Prior to C-19, government was consuming 38 cents of every dollar our private economy generated (GDP). Today, that 38% has skyrocketed since gov't costs have increased, while GDP is falling like a rock. It wouldn't be a stretch to estimate government (all levels combined), are exceding 50% of private sector generated GDP. We have become slaves to our government.

The private sector couldn't support the public sector before C-19 ($27T Fed debt & not counting Trillions of underfunded Gov't pensions), and now things have gotten much worse.

The private sector feels like Atlas carrying the World (Gov't) on their backs.

After C-19 ends, its' the private sector who will have to dig us out financially. For the public sector, it will be business as usual.

The gov't load on all levels has become too much. It's time for the public sector to have a downsizing, like all of us in the private sector have had to endure...some of us multiple times.

The Federal worker compensation package is now ~$125,000/yr.. The average private sector job pays $77,000. Those Federal workers are all being paid right now, but not all the Private sector workers.

The $2.1T C-19 stimulus gives each American $1,200/ea, but for each American that got $1,200, gov't got $5,163 to dole out as they see fit! (mostly to Fortune 500's, & other government entities). Some Feds are fighting against the small business relief package of $500B...unbelievable.

Private sector American workers & small busineses are getting crushed by oversized & overpaid government & big business.
If you're good enough, maybe the government will hire you. Expect better benefits, but lower pay. Still interested??
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Ok, name a position on usajobs.gov that hire laborer for GS-1
I would say maybe the grave diggers those that handle the grounds. - but most start at GS 3 for interns and students.
But I did find - GS 1 - clerk - medical technician- maybe like a CNA? VA jobs ?
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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No it was genuine. I am so appreciative of your efforts. You are in a minorty however. You are working your tail off in dangerous circumstances while most government workers are making full pay sitting at home.

How is that fair?
BS. I'm on the horn with SBA employee at 1:00 a.m. getting deals done.

Do you even interact with any of these people or are you spouting off at the mouth? Do you really have any clue or are you just jaded to be jaded?

Sounds like you tried to apply for a public sector job and got rejected.

You think Fauci and people at the CDC and NIH are sitting at home doing nothing? Are you that obtuse or just plain stupid?
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:15 PM
 
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I would say maybe the grave diggers those that handle the grounds. - but most start at GS 3 for interns and students.
Post office?
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:17 PM
 
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Well Trump and Governers did say “Essential Workers”. I imagine many Governebt workers are involved in essential business. I just worked with about 20 health dept nurses two days ago for Covid 19 testing. I would say they were damn essential.

There are a ton of essential services done by our government which is why they do it. For the State and Federal Government workers I deal with I would say two things.
1. What they do is essential
2. There is no money in doing it in the private sector not worth the time even if they provided a grant for it.

There are many functions a purely private enterprise would not want to do such as Tuberculosis care or Biohazard waste inspections of doctor offices. I think we want to make sure biohazard with COVID-19 is disposed of properly.
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Cali
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most FBI agents are in the GS11 range......which for Boston would be 71k (step1) to 92k (step 10 (20 years at grade)


now some team chief will be GS12.....which for Boston would be 85k (step1) to 111k (step 10 (20 years at grade)


and senior agents (SAIC) "in Charge" will be GS 13....which for Boston would be 101k (step1) to 132k (step 10 (20 years at grade)




now that is boston…. "rest of US rates" are


* "rest of US rates are defined as those NOT within another specified GS Locality... its the default rate


GS7...43k(Step1)...to...56k (step10...(step 10 takes 19 years))
GS9...52k...to.....68k
GS11...64k...to....83k
https://www.federalpay.org/gs/locality/rest-of-us




an its not like government workers get many free benefits on top of their salary.... for example we get Health insurance...which WE BUY... its not free
I pay $400/month for health insurance (BCBS) and $140/month for dental (GEHA) to cover family of 3 under federal employee program. I also pay $400/month for my retirement and 10% into TSP.

After all the deductions my net pay is 1/2 of gross pay

Where do get get this "free" benefits for federal employee?
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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how do you explain the numbers I posted? Average Fed $123K median private almost 1/2

explain


sorry, but this conservative is calling your bluff


the average federal government salary is about 60k ...the average civilian is 77k


then you have to look at the JOB, and the responsibility....




for example....


I am a transportation expert... supervisory Transportation traffic management (logistics management specialist)… for the department of the Army.... I work for a large command (about 12k personnel)… its my job to ensure movement of personnel, equipment, and cargo though-out CONUS and OCONUS...


I am a GS11 step 5...making 81k


if I worked for a large corporation doing what I do, with the responsibility of the amount of personnel, equipment and cargo moves I have to make...I could easily DEMAND 250k in the civilian sector....


but I have a dedication to my country ( I spent 27yrs in the military)
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:22 PM
 
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The negative is you don't get anything extra when the ecnomy is doing well.
Nor should they, since they don't produce anything that can be sold at a profit.
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I pay $400/month for health insurance (BCBS) and $140/month for dental (GEHA) to cover family of 3 under federal employee program. I also pay $400/month for my retirement and 10% into TSP.

After all the deductions my net pay is 1/2 of gross pay

Where do get get this "free" benefits for federal employee?
that's what I am saying/asking....




because the government doesn't give anything for free...and our benies pale in comparison to the civilian sector


no way the average "total comp" package for a gov worker is 125k (IOW the OP)
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