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Old 04-13-2020, 11:45 AM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Know that right now this is all about Fauci pushing back on Trump*'s desire to open things up too soon.

 
Old 04-13-2020, 11:52 AM
 
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They really are making it simple, aren't they? They're just taking the exact same criticisms of Trump and doing global search-and-replace so Trump is replaced by Fauci.

Except the president is Trump. Not Fauci.

Trump is never bad; others are bad for the exact same behavior.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Do you think Trump has more of a clue on any of these things than Fauci? The guy who was telling us it was all magically just going to go away? The guy who had to be talked out of reopening the country by Easter? That's the guy is who you're putting your trust in?
On Friday, Trump said he was convening a bipartisan “Opening our Country” counsel, comprised of doctors, governors, business leaders, and admin officials, to advise him.

Only thing clear is that what works in Wyoming, population 579,000 or any of the least densely populated states with barely any public transportation infrastructure is does not work in densely populated cities where people depend on public transportation.

Whereas contact tracing might be practical in South Dakota, not so much in NYC metro where millions converge on public transportation and elevators.

On the flip side is scarcity of hospitals and equipment in many rural areas.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Firing Fauci will not change what the virus is doing. IF they move too fast to re-open, more could die. It's on mrT really - he is answerable to God and the citizens of the USA, Globally our friends are not too happy with him at all.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 11:57 AM
 
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Do you think Trump has more of a clue on any of these things than Fauci? The guy who was telling us it was all magically just going to go away? The guy who had to be talked out of reopening the country by Easter? That's the guy is who you're putting your trust in?

Did Trump open things by Easter? No, he listened to the best evidence and followed it. It isn't about what a leader tweets as a trial balloon but about what he does in the end. And even Fauci has said that Trump has folloed his recommendations and not modified them.


Trump didn't go to medical school. He needs advisors who did. Advisors that can steer him down the right path. Apparently, Fauci is not one of those because Fauci was advising that coronavirus was not a serious concern all January and February until suddenly it was an emergency. Fauci was advising against wearing masks until he was advising to always wear masks. How can a leader trust an advisor like that?
 
Old 04-13-2020, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Know that right now this is all about Fauci pushing back on Trump*'s desire to open things up too soon.
It’s going to be a rolling open, no matter what.

No way can or will 50 states join hands and jump into the pool together.

Likely, Trump will decide to leave it to the states, no diff than how the decision for Stay at Home was determined by most states or counties/ municipalities within.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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Firing Fauci will not change what the virus is doing. IF they move too fast to re-open, more could die. It's on mrT really - he is answerable to God and the citizens of the USA, Globally our friends are not too happy with him at all.
It all comes down to the social distancing/ gathering guidelines.

Even with elimination of these guidelines, how likely will the masses be to book Disney vacations, cruises, attend massive trade shows, concerts etc?
 
Old 04-13-2020, 12:07 PM
 
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....Fauci was advising that coronavirus was not a serious concern all January and February until suddenly it was an emergency. Fauci was advising against wearing masks until he was advising to always wear masks. How can a leader trust an advisor like that?
To be fair, I'm sure Fauci was only going by what information he had at the time, from China, the World Health Organization, and anyone else who was providing information to health experts around the world.

Apparently there was conflicting information from different sources also. Making it difficult for not only Fauci to make statements, but for the President as well.

Depending on which color of Political glasses people are wearing, blue or red, they only see and comprehend what they want. The rest is quickly cast aside.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Then don't blame Trump for being all over the map if this is your criteria. He followed the "experts", against his instincts, and instituted the shelter in place recommendations.
Why not?

January 26th there wasn't anything for the American public to worry about. American public goes to work, goes to the movies, whatever they normally do. Completely appropriate to continue doing that on January 26th. American public is not infectious disease experts who on January 26th had something they needed to take seriously. January 26th was when certain steps should have been taking place. Restricting travel from China for non-US residents and immediate family (Feb 2nd), for example. But that's not something that's of much concern to the American public. If you're in China visiting family it's a concern, but what does that have to do with me Joe Average American? Nothing at all. Some process for returning Americans from China and quarantining ones where necessary isn't as Joe Average American something that has anything to do with me. As a Joe Average American I can keep going to work, the movies, and whatever else I normally do. At the same time there's a situation developing that I don't need to worry about at the moment that is serious from an infectious disease standpoint.

Sorry, but that's just the world. There's outbreaks happening all the time all over the place that from an infectious disease stand point are serious. SARS or MERS were very serious. MERS continues to have sporadic outbreaks from time to time and as such continues to be a very serious issue for people who deal with infectious disease. But what does that have to do with me, Joe Average American? Nothing at all. In January Covid was much more like MERS. You had a few, sporadic cases of Covid here in the US. If you're in Nebraska you're going to do anything different than normal because there's a handful of people who came back from Wuhan with it in Washington, California, and Illinois? Of course not. That's ridiculous. You're in Nebraska. Go about your life.
 
Old 04-13-2020, 12:13 PM
 
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The facts matter in this case, and I don't recall Fauci saying it was going to be ok. In fact, I remember him saying this could be a big issue, back in February and I was taken back by that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/608647/

The other thing is, the media is trying their hardest to prod and provoke Trump knowing how vain and narcissistic he is.

Fauci should have deflected stupid questions like "would lives have been saved if we had acted earlier". Well, yes of course, we could have kept everyone in a bubble a year ago and lives could have been saved.

We could prevent anyone from driving cars and lives would be saved. We could destroy all our weapons and lives would be saved. We could give everyone hundreds of N95 masks, hazmat suits, and lives could be saved.

Misleading questions like these are to be avoided...media use them to make sensationalist headlines.

So Trump is wrong, media is wrong. Trump should just have ignored this and it wouldn't be a big deal. But because he is insecure and vain, he lashes out and makes the situation worse.
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