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Old 04-14-2020, 10:29 AM
 
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SMH, well, he couldn't just take the W by doing the right thing, he had to come out with this nonsense rhetoric and screw up the goodwill he earned with me with his previously stellar handling of the pandemic.

He correctly left it up to the governors when it came to the shutdown and he assumed a support role....now he's rolling with rhetoric suggesting that it's his call when the governors open things back up successfully snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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We, the citizens of the great Pacific states -- Calif., Ore. and Wash. -- will reopen OUR economies when OUR governors decide it's time after consulting with OUR medical professionals and scientists. OUR governors closed OUR economies and they will be the ones who will reopen them. This is just as the Constitution intended.


Trump who?
Oddly apparently so will Texas.

It's pretty simple, really. Trump cares about Trump. He wants the credit for winning bigly. Maybe if the federal government had been more organized, but the states have already stepped in and filled that space and are just going to defy Trump's Tweeter Tantrums.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The US Constitution disagrees with Pres Trump.

Do you agree with the Constitution?

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The FACT is, Trump does NOT have total authority over the individual States, he does not, look it up.
Perhaps not yet. However, he could declare a federal emergency and implement martial law.

There is no judicial review. The declaration of an emergency is a power inherent to a head-of-State.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: In the bee-loud glade
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Is it just me or does the Trump seem a little authoritarian at times? And do his supporters seem a little Dear Leaderish in their support?

Anyway, the 10th amendment to the U.S. Constitution seems at odds with the Trump's latest power grab.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You pubs and Trumpsters do remember the U.S. Constitution, right?
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:39 AM
 
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You have a president on national TV saying he has total authority over the states, and you try to write it off as a media attempt to attack Trump. You ideologues have no principles. You will say and do whatever is necessary to defend Dear Leader, even if it means corrupting the very values that your party supposedly represents. Imagine Barack Obama saying on national TV "the president has total authority." You would be calling for revolution.
They don’t care. They want a dictator. Their selves are so lacking and so hollow that they need to identify with a strong leader to feel fully alive, to feel excited, to feel whole. But it goes beyond this. They are also embedded in broad virtual and real life social networks bound together by the same crazy beliefs. Really, it is just like a huge cult.

Oh yeah, and they probably aren’t constitutional scholars either.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:45 AM
 
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Another move the goalposts moment for Trump and his cult.
No one is moving any goalposts and stop with the cult references. Trump supporters are no more of a cult than the Obama supporters were.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:50 AM
 
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SMH, well, he couldn't just take the W by doing the right thing, he had to come out with this nonsense rhetoric and screw up the goodwill he earned with me with his previously stellar handling of the pandemic.

He correctly left it up to the governors when it came to the shutdown and he assumed a support role....now he's rolling with rhetoric suggesting that it's his call when the governors open things back up successfully snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Why do you and yours spin and lie so much? The president does in fact have those powers but they can be overruled by congress. Also, Trump said he would confer with the governors on any decisions to open the economy back up and hasn't changed on that stance. A convenient part and important detail that you Trump haters leave out which is what you guys do all the time! I could give you other examples of you guys leaving out important facts and details to spin your web of lies against Trump. Your favorite tactic is lying by omission.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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We know why the Governors want to keep the panic going... it’s not about health safety...it’s about political power..if they can stretch this until November Trump is finished and they know it....Democrats are disgusting human beings...




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...ors-2020-04-13
Trump does not have that authority. Ultimately, it is mostly up to your local sheriff and the governor.

What federal enforcement is in place such that a POTUS could subvert the will of the states and shut down the economy? Have you seen the FBI kicking down doors of businesses that remain open?
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:57 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Why do you and yours spin and lie so much? The president does in fact have those powers but they can be overruled by congress. Also, Trump said he would confer with the governors on any decisions to open the economy back up and hasn't changed on that stance. A convenient part and important detail that you Trump haters leave out which is what you guys do all the time! I could give you other examples of you guys leaving out important facts and details to spin your web of lies against Trump. Your favorite tactic is lying by omission.
Bobbythegreat is typically a Trump cheerleader. Is Trump really beyond any criticism at all, period? Has he made no mistakes?
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:58 AM
 
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Why do you and yours spin and lie so much? The president does in fact have those powers but they can be overruled by congress. Also, Trump said he would confer with the governors on any decisions to open the economy back up and hasn't changed on that stance. A convenient part and important detail that you Trump haters leave out which is what you guys do all the time! I could give you other examples of you guys leaving out important facts and details to spin your web of lies against Trump.
I do love that I'm considered a "Trump hater" by the Trump lovers and a "Trump lover" by the Trump haters. It suggests I'm doing something right.

The truth is that I neither "love" him or "hate" him.

Could he declare martial law? Sure....it would be the kind of authoritarian overstep that I was previously praising him for avoiding. The proper role of the federal government in a crisis is to aid the local leaders, not to dictate to them. He was doing a good job in his support role until apparently he decided he wanted to put his foot in his mouth and declare that he had the final say of when states open back up....he doesn't and he shouldn't.

The situation in California or Texas is drastically different than it is in NY or NJ, thus the policy for those states needs to be different. Those governors have done a stellar job for their states thus far so Trump needs to make sure he's not getting in their way.
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