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Old 04-15-2020, 12:40 PM
 
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Likely no more than 2 more months.
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That's my thinking...I think by the end of June we should be able to start opening everything up.
Two months to "Start" opening things up? Maybe in Ohio, but I think probably it will not be that long, even there.

Expect the opening up to "Start" opening up at the beginning of May, especially in places like Texas, much of flyover America (MAGA Country) and probably the West Coast as well.

Many of these places will likely have finished opening up before the end of two months, albeit with some remaining cautions, warnings and some limited restrictions.
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Old 04-15-2020, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It is remarkable how many among the Democrat left appear to be invested in dragging this shutdown of our economy out for as long as possible. Maybe even 18 months or more.
Like the blue State governors who are working to open their States up

How come the red States are not doing the same?

Not everything you read in Breitbar is true. As a matter of fact, rarely anything is.
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Old 04-15-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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On average training for a nurse entering an ICU with some nursing experience approx 2-3 months. Average time to train a new Nurse for an ICU and be safe approx 3-6 months

In a crisis like COVID-19 that time can be reduce about a month or so but that person will still be very slow and need a lot of assistance which slows the other nursing staff.

ICU and Vent trained nurses don’t grow on trees and Ed/ICU nurses are getting infected at an alarming rate. Vent patient management is not taught in school, many nursing students never touch an ICU patient eveN if their school technically has a rotation in ICUs.

So keep in mind if hospitals are requesting 10,000 vents then they will also need3000-5000 nurses along with those vents if they are already at max capacity. That is $60,000 a nurse at minimum, Florida ICU nurses can earn $80,000+ so I can’t imagine California or NY prices, they don’t come cheap.
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Old 04-15-2020, 12:56 PM
 
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On average training for a nurse entering an ICU with some nursing experience approx 2-3 months. Average time to train a new Nurse for an ICU and be safe approx 3-6 months

In a crisis like COVID-19 that time can be reduce about a month or so but that person will still be very slow and need a lot of assistance which slows the other nursing staff.

ICU and Vent trained nurses don’t grow on trees and Ed/ICU nurses are getting infected at an alarming rate. Vent patient management is not taught in school, many nursing students never touch an ICU patient eveN if their school technically has a rotation in ICU’s.

So keep in mind if hospitals are requesting 10,000 vents then they will also 3000-5000 nurses along with those vents if they are already at max capacity.
The thing is, they are not fully using all of the ventilators that they already have and they are poised to have many more. How many nurses have the required training now? And how many are currently being trained in the current circumstances? A lot, that is for sure.

There is no reason to believe that this is any kind of a real functional bottleneck that would justify keeping our entire society in lockdown mode for. However, it does not surprise me to see that some people are eager to continue this lockdown for as long as possible, by seemingly any means necessary.
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Old 04-15-2020, 12:59 PM
 
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I know some died who never made it to the hospital or were refused. Those that were NOT so sick were in fact sent home, and with in hours,,, did not make it.
That was part of the reason for NY increasing their death rate. Another issue was coding the cause of death under another causation and not listing COVID-19.

Example:
Patient is sick with pneumonia, test positive for COVID-19 if they could even be tested, struggling to breath and has increased oxygen demand as patients in that state can have heart rates in the 130’s while sitting. The increased oxygen demand in addition to their already poor state causes a lack of oxygen to the heart, patient has a heart attack and dies.

That death might get coded at Pneumonia, Myocardial infarction, or COVID-19. Apparently early on (late feb-mid March) these deaths were not attributed to COVID-19 but should have been. Some were not known to have COVID or the test result came back post-Mortum after the cause of death was listed. Has that been corrected nation wide or just NY?
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Old 04-15-2020, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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That was part of the reason for NY increasing their death rate. Another issue was coding the cause of death under another causation and not listing COVID-19.

Example:
Patient is sick with pneumonia, test positive for COVID-19 if they could even be tested, struggling to breath and has increased oxygen demand as patients in that state can have heart rates in the 130’s while sitting. The increased oxygen demand in addition to their already poor state causes a lack of oxygen to the heart, patient has a heart attack and dies.

That death might get coded at Pneumonia, Myocardial infarction, or COVID-19. Apparently early on (late feb-mid March) these deaths were not attributed to COVID-19 but should have been. Has that been corrected nation wide or just NY?
Based on what Cuomo said, CDC issued the new reporting guidelines to the states and then it’s now up to them to go back and see if their count needs updating.
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