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Old 04-18-2020, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Ha! Ahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh. DJT is the most corrupt President since Nixon.
You failed to answe the question. Is your side totally innocent? Answer or fail.
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Power attracts the corruptible. I think it's more a question of how corrupt the parties are, than whether they are corrupt or not. In terms of the Corruption Perception Index, we're ranked 23rd out of 180 by Transparency International. To me that indicates there's some degree of corruption evident, but we're a long way from being the worst. We do have work to do.

Here's a 2019 world map of the CPI:
https://www.transparency.org/cpi2019
You failed to answer the question, so I'm counting your non-answer as they are both corrupt.
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:22 PM
 
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Politics attracts people who like to blame others for the problems in their lives, and those who manipulate the first group.

People who own their shortcomings and don't blame others for random misfortune have no reason to speak up, since they are already dealing with the problem.
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Every political party has some elements of corruption. There is no innocent political party. Our current situation, however, is that the Republican Party is much MORE corrupt than the Democratic. Just look at the number of Trump friends and appointees who have been convicted and jailed. There has never been an administration with so many people indicted and convicted of corruption. So it really is a problem of degree. If the president were not immune from being indicted, it would have happened many times over.
You too failed to answe the question. Please explain how your party is not corrupt, or less corrupt w/o discussing the other side. Extoll the virtues of your side. I'm waiting...
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Both are corrupt, which is why we need Trump.
Thanks for making me spit out my top shelf vodka. Not cool.
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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okay then, regardless of party affiliation, do you think ANY politician is not corrupt? Please name the innocent party and extoll.
I am sure there are some who are not, but DC tends to corrupt even those with good intentions. Their party puts pressure on them to vote according to party lines.

Ronald Reagan created the "11th Commandment": Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.

It demands loyalty, much like Trump is doing now, although in Trumps case he demands loyalty to himself as a person, while Reagan demanded it to the Republican party. Trump himself is corrupt to the core, and his habitual lying is proof of it. He lies even when there is no apparent gain in doing so.

However, even today there are exceptions like Rand Paul (at least on an occasion). He speaks his mind when his party dishonors conservative values, which happens a lot these days.
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Old 04-19-2020, 09:34 AM
 
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Both are corrupt, which is why we need Trump.


That is exactly right. Trump is not a Washington insider, which is why the insiders hate him; he is a threat to their gravy train of ripping off the public. Trump is a populist in the same vein as Ross Perot and Teddy Roosevelt.


I always find it ironic that those on the left, who really feel as though the political parties are corrupt, hate Trump. Trump is not really a republican and he is not really a democrat; he is an opponent of "businesss as usual" and is the type of leader we need in DC. The last thing we need is an archaic, corrupt, Washington insider like Biden.


One wonders why in the world that the left clings to ancient, corrupt, Washington insider statists that have only their own financial interests in mind.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:52 AM
 
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"I always find it ironic that those on the left, who really feel as though the political parties are corrupt, hate Trump. "

I'm on that left and I dislike your hero just because he's a jerk, let's be honest here, DJT had a ton of sordid history way before he came to politics, his many affairs, his proven misogyny, his circus like TV shows, and his terrible self congratulatory books he says he wrote, the man is a clown and not because he is a politician, no he's simply a clown in any position he finds himself in..I've been laughing at Trump since the eighties, his "Art Of The Deal" was mostly the same kind of self promoting BS he is still engaging in today.

I not a fan of either party, and I won't be an apologist for either party's corrupt doings, there are some people in both parties who may be a far better bet in the White House than Trump or Biden, but in the world of the two party system that will not happen. The irony here isn't the hatred of Trump by those on the left, but it is most certainly ironic that so many of Trump's supporters are willing to give that clown a free pass on every proven incidence of his long history with corrupt political dealings, and still call him an "outlier."
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Please step forward and claim the innocence of your party.

Please refrain from mentioning any other party or political figure in any way, as that will be counted as a Nay vote.

Simply extoll the innocence of your own party.

There will be a follow up thread to this one that asks the next logical question.
Wherever you have humans, you have corruption.

It's why socialism and communism will never succeed.
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Old 04-19-2020, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I think the key to determining who the most corrupt are on both sides is to look at each individual and Google their net worth. For example. Mitch McConnell 22 million. Then follow the money.

Newsweek has an interesting article "50 Poorest Members of Congress."

Not all of them on both sides of the isle are corrupt. Trump is no longer corrupt because the Senate said it's okay to be as crooked as he wants to be.
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