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Old 04-19-2020, 09:47 PM
 
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Never going to happen, so why push this narrative?





You want to deny cancer treatment for people that smoked?

You want to deny abortions for women who had unprotected sex?

You want to deny Aids drugs to homosexual men who engage in high risk behavior?

You want to deny heart surgery to people who eat high fat diets?


That's not the way we do things.

And suggesting that that should be the way it works reveals a particularly twisted sense of vindictiveness.

Fine. Let the healthcare system go bankrupt and collapse--any expert will tell you it's stretched to the breaking point now. Then we are ALL out in the cold when we need treatment. Don't be so cavalier and naive to think it can't happen simply because "We are America!"
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Old 04-19-2020, 09:51 PM
 
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The vast majority of people who get infected with COVID-19 will either not be treated at all due to being asymptomatic, or will be "treated" with OTC meds. The thing that is hurting the healthcare system is having non-essential procedures canceled. That's where they make the most money.

Keeping everything shut down is what is going to lead to ruin, not opening things back up.
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Old 04-19-2020, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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No one has calculated the medical cost of treating COVID-19 far as I've seen but it must be gargantuan. Our healthcare system was already overburdened before this nightmare began. Now, in addition to the trillions being sent out to small business and individuals via the stimulus, the government has to foot the bill for treating victims of Coronavirus--a double financial whammy. I don't know where we're going to get the money for all this unless the Fed prints us into oblivion.

I think protestors should have the right to go back into society if they choose. But I also believe our healthcare system shouldn't have to shoulder the burden for their choice. Hospitals should fill to whatever capacity they have and then shut the doors to Corona victims. Those who are leading these protests to reopen the work place should be willing to accept that if a hospital is full, that's it. People with suspected Coronavirus who are very sick and need to be hospitalized can be triaged and then when it is determined they are suffering from Coronavirus they should be turned away and sent home to be cared for by family. Those without family or friends, tough.

That is the fair and logical, reasonable trade-off for insisting on going against health experts' recommendations to stay at home until the crisis is over.
Wow - on the same page - but during hurricanes - if the idiots won’t leave the projected path of the storm - police tells them- write your social and a phone number of next of kin on your body with perm markers - because we are not going to rescue you - just recover your body after it passes. Btw many are never found. I understand the protests - but foolish people to go unprotected in each other’s faces.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:02 PM
 
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Try wishing yourself mortgage payments and food on the table.

I can only guess you're a limousine liberal that has no clue about the struggles of the working class.

"Let them eat cake."
All grocery stores are hiring.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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No one has calculated the medical cost of treating COVID-19 far as I've seen but it must be gargantuan. Our healthcare system was already overburdened before this nightmare began. Now, in addition to the trillions being sent out to small business and individuals via the stimulus, the government has to foot the bill for treating victims of Coronavirus--a double financial whammy. I don't know where we're going to get the money for all this unless the Fed prints us into oblivion.

I think protestors should have the right to go back into society if they choose. But I also believe our healthcare system shouldn't have to shoulder the burden for their choice. Hospitals should fill to whatever capacity they have and then shut the doors to Corona victims. Those who are leading these protests to reopen the work place should be willing to accept that if a hospital is full, that's it. People with suspected Coronavirus who are very sick and need to be hospitalized can be triaged and then when it is determined they are suffering from Coronavirus they should be turned away and sent home to be cared for by family. Those without family or friends, tough.

That is the fair and logical, reasonable trade-off for insisting on going against health experts' recommendations to stay at home until the crisis is over.
Not all hospitals and hospital beds are created equal.

There is a limited number of ICU beds and healthcare professionals able to work in ICUs.

Most hospitals in the US have not been overwhelmed because non- urgent surgeries, their bread and butter, were cancelled. Most areas did not become hot zones due to controls associated with social distancing/ gathering, 43 states issuing Stay at Home orders and changes to individual behaviors.

Depending on the day, Trump claims 500,000- 2 million lives have been saved because of these controls and changes in behaviors.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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All grocery stores are hiring.
And thus the low level grumbling about hazardous duty pay since when many do the math their unemployment insurance plus "stimulus" basic income social security check is worth more than what is paid for graveyard shift shelf stocking
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:21 PM
 
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Thousands of people have "got it" and "got over it" without even knowing they "had it".
And thousands got it and died, and still are getting it and dying. It's increasing in Mississippi for example.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:24 PM
 
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And thousands got it and died, and still are getting it and dying. It's increasing in Mississippi for example.
Thousands of people get hit by cars and died, and still are getting hit by cars and dying. We should be very afraid and ban all automobiles.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:28 PM
 
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Thousands of people get hit by cars and died, and still are getting hit by cars and dying. We should be very afraid and ban all automobiles.
That's just a really stupid analogy. It's your decision to walk in front of cars and it's your decision to run over them. No one has a decision with this virus.
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Old 04-19-2020, 10:32 PM
 
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That's just a really stupid analogy. It's your decision to walk in front of cars and it's your decision to run over them. No one has a decision with this virus.
The difference is that you can ban all cars, you can't ban this virus.

Cars kill over a million people a year, clearly we'd be better off without them right?

Are we only down for ridiculous draconian measures in a futile effort to stop a disease that most people will be exposed to one way or the other?
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