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Old 04-20-2020, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Why shouldn’t poor people have kids they can’t afford to raise? When progressives will pay you top dollar to to be a single parent with 3+ kids, as opposed to having a stable 2- parent income household which would decreases your benefits and increase your tax rate, it’s a no brainer.

Any poor person would take that deal in a heartbeat, turning an emergency fund into a way of life.

When you pay poor people to have kids, that’s exactly what they’re going to do.
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Old 04-20-2020, 04:13 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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My statement could be provided to the FLDS or any other religious enclaves who use their faith as a justification to not be responsible for the life style they have chosen, that doesn't give them a pass. And lets not act like their chosen lifestyle is being self funded by themselves or other like communities as the poster I responded to did. I have read about Lakewood Township, NJ which was also mentioned along the same lines by someone else.
You forget one main thing: The receiving of financial donations is not taxable income and thus is not included in calculating poverty incomes per the IRS.
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Old 04-20-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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It's a puzzle for the ages. Why do poor people have a ton of kids while rich people generally have very few or none? Why is the population growth highest on the poorest continent on the planet, Africa?

Short answer: There's always somebody who will jump in and save them from starvation, and very often having more kids means getting more stuff from social programs.

But I really have no idea who rich people tend to have very few kids. I suppose the richer you are, the more your life is focused on making money, leaving you with little time for anything else.
It has nothing to do with Africa or welfare. It’s part of the normal human condition.

Again, when DIDN’T poor people have loads of children in the history of mankind? Tell us.
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Old 04-20-2020, 04:20 PM
 
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How is simply having an opinion on something and having the freedom to use our political system (voting for example) foisting one's ideology on others? Aren't the so-called pro-choicers doing the same thing in the same manner?

There is no myth about PP funding abortions. They have and they do regardless of what your left wing site says. Our government indeed was providing PP with funds. Where have you been?

I'm all for educating people on birth control, etc. and even providing it to the poor but providing them with abortions is quite another story.
We (pro-choice people) aren't trying to deny/make harder a life choice, a body choice, of another person that has been deemed legal.

You are.

Additionally, you're a man. As men, it's none of our flipping business what a woman wants to do to control her own body.

IMO, your viewpoint is disrespectful to women. Among other things, It's a form of patriarchal oppression.

I can imagine you saying that you don't care about being disrespectful to baby killers, except they aren't babies, they're fetuses.....a distinction that you continually ignore.
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Please provide proof of that so we can break down the population demographics.
This link puts it into perspective:

US National Birth Rate per 1000

1950-24.27

1960- 23.4

1970-16.83

1980-14.98

1990-15.45

2000- 14.1

2010- 13.3

2017- 12.4

2018- 11.58

2019- 11.99

Utah- 15.77

Lakewood NJ- 45.00

https://www.nj.com/healthfit/2017/06...declining.html

https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-w...s-fall-lowest/

The top 5 birth rates in US : South Dakota, North Dakota, Utah, Alaska and Nebraska
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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You’ve pointed out many times in various threads that that specific religious Jewish community are a bunch of takers, takers, takers, but let’s not use that to build resentment toward Jews in general. Proportionate to their numbers, Jews contribute much in terms of medicine, the arts, science, etc. And of course, Jews have a higher average income and contribute much in taxes. Just wanted to provide a little counterpoint to your hostility toward those specific Jews.
Specific dynasties are indeed takers, here and in Israel.

The Satmar is a relatively new dynasty and one of the largest in the world, formed by Holocaust survivors in Hungary, with an objective to replace every Jew murdered in the Holocaust, regardless of dynasty. Having 12 and as many as 20 children is increasingly common.

There are dozens of dynasties within Hasidic Judaism. Most are anti- Zionist.

They are indeed takers here and in Israel and unfortunately no stranger to welfare fraud.

They vote as a bloc and can make or break a local, school district, house representative election and influence state elections. Imagine waking up and realizing your school board is dominated by people who have never attended a public school or sent their kids to public school or speak English. They decide to divert school budgets to busing their children to private religious schools and feeding those children Kosher meals at their religious schools and perhaps most importantly certify that the religious schools magically meets state’s educational requirements, despite most do not.

Imagine a community that attempts to segregate genders on public streets and public parks and relentlessly heckles outsiders, including non- religious Jews.
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:50 PM
 
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Far more often than those who use the already plentiful Title X family planning clinics.
Also, being human has nothing to do with it. Adult humans should act responsibly as they have a brain and most women don't get pregnant if using birth control properly. The excuses that these people use for the poor or anyone else that acts irresponsibly is laughable.
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:52 PM
 
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At the end of the day, do you really want to be responsible for kids when you're living in a nation ran by FOOLS?
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Also, being human has nothing to do with it. Adult humans should act responsibly as they have a brain and most women don't get pregnant if using birth control properly. The excuses that these people use for the poor or anyone else that acts irresponsibly is laughable.
Put the men on birth control so they can stop being everyone’s papi - baby daddy or pops to 5 different women promising to marry them.
Equal time out - or snip
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:59 PM
 
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If you can get human beings to control their own body you would be a miracle worker. As for your other rant PP provides options for those that can least afford it, it is not promoted as a form of birth control. But why can't conservatives who are so keen of ensure that no options are available disappear after the child is born? Why aren't they adopting all these children and I don't mean just the healthy white ones but the ones born to addicts, mixed parentage , possible developmental challenges?

The GOP controlling a woman's body is not a cop out just stating the facts that allowed to legislate unfettered they would block all options for unwanted pregnancy and too hell with everyone else.
Oh, this ole lame argument again against conservatives who oppose abortion? Sorry, it doesn't fly. Opposing abortion doesn't mean that if one does they themselves should adopt these babies nor does it mean we should be obligated to pay for their upkeep.

Opposing murdering the unborn is not controlling a woman's body! It is up to the woman and her sexual mate to control and protect their bodies from a pregnancy they don't want. There is no excuse for engaging in sex without being protected these days. Why are you letting irresponsible people of the hook instead?
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