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Old 04-19-2020, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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We don't have a democracy problem. We have a problem with democrats and their unwillingness to share democracy. They've thrown the world's largest hissy fit ever since Trump was elected, and have done everything possible to fight him on everything he's done, including many positive things that have been proven to help this country and it's people. Democrats are playing a very dangerous game, and it's probably going to lead to an epic landslide victory for Trump in November.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:17 PM
 
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A republic is so far the best form of government we have devised. Rule by elected representatives has better quality control than direct democracy, while also allowing for democratic upwellings to change the system periodically when it gets off-kilter.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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i don't know, besides the majority of voters being foolish drones, political leaders gain an aptitude for self interested catering to different interest groups.

Its no longer about having a country, but instead its about having power.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:37 PM
 
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i don't know, besides the majority of voters being foolish drones, political leaders gain an aptitude for self interested catering to different interest groups.

Its no longer about having a country, but instead its about having power.
Decrying democracy because the average IQ is 100 = "there be dragons"

I think you underestimate how awful various forms of oligarchy can be.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Decrying democracy because the average IQ is 100 = "there be dragons"

I think you underestimate how awful various forms of oligarchy can be.
Oh I agree, but votes still matter, and politicians want to appeal to their constituents.

That involves catering to special interest groups, short term policy goals, and a culture of self interested careerism in politics.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:45 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The price of Democracy is eternal vigilance; keeping an eye on those in power is a constant necessity. It's never going to be a perfect form of government, but it's better than the alternative.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Democracy isn't hurting our nation in the slightest: what is hurting us is the corruption of democracy in the pursuit of power, influence, and immediate gratification. True parliamentary pluralism was never intended to be a Roman circus.

And the first three posters in this thread are textbook examples of this corruption!
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:48 PM
 
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Oh I agree, but votes still matter, and politicians want to appeal to their constituents.

That involves catering to special interest groups, short term policy goals, and a culture of self interested careerism in politics.
Probably the noblest person to ever be president was Abraham Lincoln. And he got elected not because the opposition was split between two candidates, but because it was split between THREE candidates.

And eventually he was assassinated.

Politics at its best is barely functional careerism and proceduralism. Politics at its worst is an unfathomable abyss. Yes that is the best our species can muster lol.
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:00 PM
 
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I don't know, it seems it promotes a bunch of ambitious career politicians with a fan base to cater to different special interests rather than having a cohesive vision and symbol leading the country forward.

I'm not for a dictatorship or politburo, but voters in this country care little for the country as a whole, and rather buy in to the concept of celebrity governance and media hype or vote for an immediate narrow set of interests.
which less democratic country's government do you prefer?
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Probably the noblest person to ever be president was Abraham Lincoln. And he got elected not because the opposition was split between two candidates, but because it was split between THREE candidates.

And eventually he was assassinated.

Politics at its best is barely functional careerism and proceduralism. Politics at its worst is an unfathomable abyss. Yes that is the best our species can muster lol.
Yet somehow, plenty of blemishes notwithstanding, it has functioned for 244 years.
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