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Old 04-19-2020, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I don't know, it seems it promotes a bunch of ambitious career politicians with a fan base to cater to different special interests rather than having a cohesive vision and symbol leading the country forward.

I'm not for a dictatorship or politburo, but voters in this country care little for the country as a whole, and rather buy in to the concept of celebrity governance and media hype or vote for an immediate narrow set of interests.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The beauty of a democracy is, the people get what they ask for. If they vote in idiots, they will get idiotic government implementing idiotic policies. If they vote in smart people, they will get smart government implementing smart policies.

Of course, you will get people in this thread telling you the US isn't a democracy in the first place.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:45 PM
 
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I don't know, it seems it promotes a bunch of ambitious career politicians with a fan base to cater to different special interests rather than having a cohesive vision and symbol leading the country forward.

I'm not for a dictatorship or politburo, but voters in this country care little for the country as a whole, and rather buy in to the concept of celebrity governance and media hype or vote for an immediate narrow set of interests.

We don't have a true democracy.

Maybe we should try it before we ask if it is hurting our country.

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Old 04-19-2020, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I don't know, it seems it promotes a bunch of ambitious career politicians with a fan base to cater to different special interests rather than having a cohesive vision and symbol leading the country forward.

I'm not for a dictatorship or politburo, but voters in this country care little for the country as a whole, and rather buy in to the concept of celebrity governance and media hype or vote for an immediate narrow set of interests.
Democracy works only up until the time that the people realize they can vote themselves money from the public treasury,

Time's up.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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The beauty of a democracy is, the people get what they ask for. If they vote in idiots, they will get idiotic government implementing idiotic policies. If they vote in smart people, they will get smart government implementing smart policies.

Of course, you will get people in this thread telling you the US isn't a democracy in the first place.


It's not a pure democracy......that would be a horrible idea.

It's a Constitutional Representative Republic.

Which means that half of the country gets to elect their idiots for a while, and then the other half gets their idiots for a while.

Representatives are a mixture of both types of idiots.


Balance.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I support democracy, but prefer a strong parliamentary system where parliament is supreme and courts cannot overrule acts of the people's house.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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It's not a pure democracy......that would be a horrible idea.

It's a Constitutional Representative Republic.

Which means that half of the country gets to elect their idiots for a while, and then the other half gets their idiots for a while.

Representatives are a mixture of both types of idiots.


Balance.
I think the disconnect between your view and mine is that you view "pure democracy" to have one meaning. Democracy can be direct--everyone votes on every issue--or indirect, wherein the people's representatives govern on behalf of the people. Both are democracy.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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I think the disconnect between your view and mine is that you view "pure democracy" to have one meaning. Democracy can be direct--everyone votes on every issue--or indirect, wherein the people's representatives govern on behalf of the people. Both are democracy.



What's the difference?

Both are majority rule.

What if the majority thinks something like slavery is okey-dokey?


Just because you have a majority opinion doesn't mean it's the right opinion.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Democracy no.

Lack of education yes.
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Old 04-19-2020, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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What's the difference?

Both are majority rule.

What if the majority thinks something like slavery is okey-dokey?


Just because you have a majority opinion doesn't mean it's the right opinion.
Not that I attempted to differentiate between the two (I argue that they are both democracy, as opposed to direct democracy being "pure democracy"), but the difference is that the people directly vote to enact law in one instance whereas their representatives vote to enact law in the other instance. As we've seen many times, the people may very well support different things than their representatives vote for on "x" or "y" position, whether background checks or sanctuary cities, etc. Still, that doesn't make direct democracy any more or less "pure" democracy than indirect democracy in my book.
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