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Actually the Asian countries example show that public transportation with a lot of people in close quarters can work if everyone is wearing masks and taking care to protect themselves.
You suggest masks 100% of the time on subways.
We have never had to do that in the past. So because China acts up, we have to change.
Maybe the Asian countries have been jacked up by China so often, they figure that is the best way to go. I don't think we should have to do that.
deBlasio should have put them up in hotels close to their jobs and encourage those needing a vehicle to call Hertz about their free rentals cars for healthcare workers.
Who will run the hotels? Essential workers. How will they get there?
Well, sure that would be an extremist take like I was talking about. Supporting small, smart measures does not imply blanket support.
Small, smart measures are subjective though, no?
So again, there's no moral or logical reason to complain about how government does anything if you accept the paradigm that says it has the right to keep X open while closing Y.
I don't know how that's extremist. It's pretty much common sense.
If anyone still believes that the objective here is to stop the spread of this virus, then you do not understand how the "Flattening the curve" strategy works.
The "Flattening the curve" strategy is not designed to 'save lives,' or even to substantially reduce the number of people who get infected. Rather it is designed to slow the pace of the spread of this disease so as to reduce the burden on the hospitals that treat those small percentage of people who have a more severe reaction to it.
The goal now has to be establishing herd immunity, which means that some 60%-70% of us are going to get this virus.
As long as the city's healthcare capabilities are not overwhelmed by the number of sick people, there is no reason to close down these subways. All that would do is make this whole process drag out and last for a longer period of time. Surely that is not desired.
It does reduce the total number of infected and correspondingly the total number of deaths.
But for obvious reasons the NYC subways should be kept open.
Everyday Americans can't get masks they way they can in Asian countries. Trump dropped the ball on the whole PPE thing as well. What works in other parts of the world works because they have competent people at the helm. We're screwed in that department.
Not today yes, but that will change over time as the national production is ramped up.
NYC has positioned itself so it can't operate in these conditions. They have to travel in close proximity on these subways in order to function. Doesn't work well for a pandemic. And they pretty much have held the entire country as hostage because of the way they function. It's because of NYC the virus numbers are so high. And they continue to do the same thing every day - because they have to.
My suggestion? Shut down NYC and let the rest of the country go to work.
All of Texas has just below 500 deaths. Nassau county in NYC has over 1300 deaths on its own. The neighboring county (Suffolk) - over 800 deaths.
We don't need to be shut down. NYC needs to be shut down.
Why am I being told that I can't drive in my car by myself - sit at my desk - and drive back home... when at the same time, crowds of people in NYC are huddled together in a small subway because that's their only choice? That would seem to be their problem moreso than my problem.
Why are we putting lives at risk by keeping the subways open?
People are smashed together in those cars despite the order that the rest of the country endures.
Aren't the lives of New Yorkers more important than the continued subway operation?
Update: See post 21 for my point
Lifestyles differ greatly in different parts of the USA
Many New Yorkers don't earn cars.
With limited uber/taxi options -- first responders, essential workers NEED transportation.
I'm always fascinated with how people in the USA have noc lue how different life is in different regions.
Have a good friend in New Jersey that just doesn't understand sometimes why her concerns aren't the same the people in rural South Carolina or South Dakota.
deBlasio should have put them up in hotels close to their jobs and encourage those needing a vehicle to call Hertz about their free rentals cars for healthcare workers.
Somebody still has to run those facilities -- it probably is cheaper to make sure there are lots of cars so social distancing can happen and to constantly disinfect the cars.
If you have thought of it -- -it's been thought of....rest assured of that.
I am making a larger point here. I am not in favor of government shutting down anything.
But in an area where the death toll far exceeds anywhere else in the country, they allow subway travel on a daily basis - while elsewhere at the same time arresting a father for playing T-ball with his daughter in the name of safety... or giving churches a hard time.
Something just seems wrong with this picture.
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