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Old 04-24-2020, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Trolling/hijacking or off topic.
LMAO Your post was outed for being absurd as if the ones who were correct are divorced from reality.
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Old 04-24-2020, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I strongly encourage Ron Paul and all of the boot licking, faux news following trump lovers to continue to protest and “take back their freedom”. No need for social distancing, get out there and mingle. The sooner the better!
Ron Paul is not a fan of Trumps. Not that you care about the truth as your silly post proves that. No need to run your own life, government will do it for you, right?
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Old 04-24-2020, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The economy will most definitely not thrive if the country is reopened anytime soon. Even now, meat producing plants are shutting down due to workers being infected with COVID-19.

Just imagine if exponentially more people get infected and die -- this would topple entire industries at the supply level. That's when mass food shortages become a real threat, never mind how defunct all the hospitals would be by then.
Exactly. I point to the movie theaters for a good reference. I say that as Disney released Onward, Disney Pixar animated film. It bombed making 50m in its opening weekend (the first weekend of March) when California and Washington were the only states with restrictions. I worked the NASCAR race that weekend. The next weekend New York started closing theaters and national chains closed by Monday, the day I saw it. In a normal situation, it is highly unlikely that a Pixar movie would bomb like that.

I point to the theaters since they closed only when states that saw early states close, they closed nationwide. It was largely free market and not based on the states shutting it down. Even restaurants closed free market in many states. I think it depended largely on industry and if it was a small business that couldn't afford not to open, if they stayed open or closed. Except GameStop which thought it was essential...

The fact is I think we had little choice unless we fully shutdown for three weeks except for hospitals. The only new cases would likely be hospital workers at that point. We didn't go that route and we see the issue now. Many sick in meat packing plants, a divide in cases with rural areas wanting to reopen while more suburban and urban areas cannot at all.

I have a feeling Georgia is playing with fire, as will a number of other states looking to reopen. Arizona is likely to be another (they haven't committed to reopening but I fear they are toeing the water of it.) Alaska I think is the only state it could work in since it is fairly segregated from the world.
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Old 04-25-2020, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Humans have always protected themselves from disease through two ways: Quarantine and migration.

They either isolated themselves and their communities or they all packed up and left, seeking wilderness where there was no other people around to infect them.

Of course, the immigrants took the disease with them or not.
Back when the world was mostly wilderness, humans could move away and spread out far enough in some new spot to keep from infecting each other if the disease was among them. Sometimes it wasn't., so they could bunch up once they knew all they were safe.

So sometimes migration worked and sometimes it didn't. But quarantine always worked a little better. The worst pandemics of the past all wiped out around 1/3 of humanity before they quit, and that always left 2/3 who were immune.

Ron Paul learned all that back when he was a med student. It's basic immunology.

But that was a very long time ago, so obviously, he's forgotten his ancient lessons.
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Old 04-25-2020, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Humans have always protected themselves from disease through two ways: Quarantine and migration.

They either isolated themselves and their communities or they all packed up and left, seeking wilderness where there was no other people around to infect them.

Of course, the immigrants took the disease with them or not.
Back when the world was mostly wilderness, humans could move away and spread out far enough in some new spot to keep from infecting each other if the disease was among them. Sometimes it wasn't., so they could bunch up once they knew all they were safe.

So sometimes migration worked and sometimes it didn't. But quarantine always worked a little better. The worst pandemics of the past all wiped out around 1/3 of humanity before they quit, and that always left 2/3 who were immune.

Ron Paul learned all that back when he was a med student. It's basic immunology.

But that was a very long time ago, so obviously, he's forgotten his ancient lessons.
Your post is off from the get go. Show proof humans isolated themselves when the flu hit two years ago, which was definitely worse than what we are going through now. Saying/equating this with something that will wipe out 1/3 of humanity is laughable. Even that hack Fauci wasn't off by that much and he was off by a mile.

That you think 2 years ago America was a wilderness is laughable. Make something else up.

Maybe you actually cared about the truth one time, but that was a very long time ago, so obviously, you've forgotten what matters.
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Old 04-25-2020, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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It should be painfully obvious, now that we've seen the surilogical studies, that the lockdown was a serious mistake. So, if they had some wisdom, they could see that the nations lockdown should end immediately. But they have no wisdom, so this nonsense will probably go on for at least another year in some parts of the country.

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Old 04-25-2020, 08:20 AM
 
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What "surilogical" studies? How do they prove it was a mistake?
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What "surilogical" studies? How do they prove it was a mistake?
Twenty dollar word for antibody testing. Blood sample rather than nasal swab since antibodies are in the bloodstream.
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:48 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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What if the lockdown was a giant mistake, asks former presidential candidate, US Congressman and medical doctor Ron Paul.


By exaggerating the death toll, panic was incited and the very worst, most extreme possible reaction was instigated. Of course now that our leaders have collectively done this to us, they will go to their graves insisting it was necessary and the right thing to do.

But, what if it wasn't? And truth be told, it increasingly looks like this may have been an overreaction.

Dr. Paul is correct. They should not be allowed to get away with this.
Well, then the entire world made the same mistake.

Let's ask Boris Johnson what he thinks - now.

Dr. Paul needs to shut his mouth and allow himself to fade into peaceful irrelevance.
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Old 04-25-2020, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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You or anyone else doesn't get to make up rules. House arrest doesn't fly in America
Another Academy Award for Drama. No one is under house arrest. And yes, "anyone else" does get to make the rules. That's why we elect them.

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Your post is off from the get go.
There's a lot that's "off" here, and it isn't me or the person you were responding to.

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That you think 2 years ago America was a wilderness is laughable.
Is two years as far back as your education goes? Perhaps you should try to find a little historical perspective?

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Maybe you actually cared about the truth one time
Oh, the irony ...
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