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Since when were the libertarians anything but a tiny minority in the Republican party?
Both major parties are dominated by the authoritarians, sure you can find a Rand Paul libertarian leaning Republican every now and again, but they are the token few at best.
Finding a libertarian in a major party is like finding a fiscally responsible politician.
The Koch Brothers' TEA Party was quite influential in the last decade.
Only because people would rather grow the government in regulator and personnel size, in not understanding the costs of both. Clearly if they did, the Democratic party and the Republican party would have another competitor on the ballet. As it is Americans want fewer choices, so it is.
The free market hasn't really worked. I know I know it can be argued that we don't have a free market but it can be argued that businesses control the government too much and not in a pocket issue...
The libertarian party much like any third party might have some momentum for a single election but that is it. I haven't even heard who could be the libertarian hopefuls
Republicans are just as big gov't as Democrats. No one wants small government anymore outside of independent/survivalist types.
Unless you are talking Paul or Lee, yes. The Republicans only like big government when it benefits big business. They just act like they want to drain the swamp. Our current president is a bigger swamp monster than Man-Thing.
Unless you are talking Paul or Lee, yes. The Republicans only like big government when it benefits big business. They just act like they want to drain the swamp. Our current president is a bigger swamp monster than Man-Thing.
Not sure you actually understand libertarian ideology. It’s pretty explicit about not condoning corporate welfare. If you’re talking about free trade, then there’s some substance there. I’m actually rethinking my own stance on that right now.
Libertarianism is a great way to think in terms of broad ideology - let gay marrieds defend their marijuana fields with assault rifles - but the deeper I dig in, the less faithful I get. Libertarianism is a good bedrock mindset to have, as long as you can translate it into more realpolitik terms.
Yeah, boy, those ideas sure have produced stability in society. If your belief system is built upon "libertarianism," you will take absurd positions that are so alien to what we know about human nature and human behavior, that you will be dismissed by ordinary people with any common sense, which is exactly what happens to libertarians.
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Only because people would rather grow the government in regulator and personnel size, in not understanding the costs of both. Clearly if they did, the Democratic party and the Republican party would have another competitor on the ballet. As it is Americans want fewer choices, so it is.
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The free market hasn't really worked. I know I know it can be argued that we don't have a free market but it can be argued that businesses control the government too much and not in a pocket issue...
The libertarian party much like any third party might have some momentum for a single election but that is it. I haven't even heard who could be the libertarian hopefuls
One could also argue, business can not control that which does not exist.
The free market is an economic system based on supply and demand with little or no government control. It is a summary description of all voluntary exchanges that take place in a given economic environment.
"The core of libertarianism is respect for the life, liberty and property rights of each individual. This means that no one may initiate force against another, as that violates those natural rights. While many claim adherence to this principle, only libertarians apply the non-aggression axiom to the state." ~ Ron Paul ~
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The free market hasn't really worked.
It hasn't worked because it has never been implemented as the same could be said for democracy ... which would allow for greater choices, not fewer as in 2.
But Reaganomics in theory wasn't really a bad thing, it just had all four pillars run counter to every impulse of an elected politician sociopath.
reduce the growth of government spending
reduce the federal income tax and capital gains tax
reduce government regulation
tighten the money supply in order to reduce inflation
The last administration to do three of those things within a given two year congressional period was the 1st Cleveland administration. A couple admins (Trump included) have done two of the four, but totally negated the positive effect by so badly UNdoing the other two.
But generally, if any admin + congress did all four in a two year period, the net good would be pretty righteous. But there's lots of fantasies that would be badass if they happened - cold fusion, replicators, teleportation, FTL travel, etc. And in that list of sci-fi dreams, any is more practically possible than our government doing all four pillars of Reaganomics all at once.
Voodoo economics is a misnomer. I like to call it Unicorn Economics.
I've been reading about Cleveland recently.
He scared off the agrarian populists and labor movement. He wasn't popular among common folk.
Ironically your list gives the assumption that it should give more power and freedom to average folk, and away from the government. Yet when all was said and done average folk after the Cleveland Administration had less power and less freedom.
This is Marco Rubio. Republicans are moving away from libertarian tyranny that said economic efficency is all that matters and main street should be wiped out for more capital gains on wall street.
I think conservatives can offer a pro-worker alternative to democrats high tax globalist policy.
Hopefully the ghost of Reagan doesn't come and snatch this transition from the jaws of victory
Ron Paul was the only Libertarian Republican. The others just throw the word around to get votes.
Since Reagan republicans have preached market efficiency, meaning international investors and equity firms should have a moral right to control capital and move it overseas and into a few big cities, while small communities and average people lost all their economic power.
And when people fought back republicans would wag their fingers and say they don't work as hard as a chinese slave and go pound salt.
Now they are breaking free from the wall street first ideology and creating an actual conservative ideology.
I'm not conservative but if I were I'd be angry about how traditional institutions and family values were being crushed for global capitalism and mega corporations who wanted kill their way of life.
At least now they are waking up.
Huh? You are describing the Republicans and Democrats to a tee. Nothing at all to do with Libertarians.
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Clearly if they did, the Democratic party and the Republican party would have another competitor on the ballet. As it is Americans want fewer choices, so it is.
