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Sweden has a death rate of 192. Higher than our 140, but lower than most European nations. And they did so without destroying their economy. The "case-fatality" ratio is fairly pointless and points more to the number of test done than anything else. Antibody testing will provide a better benchmark when it's available on a widespread basis.
35% of Sweden’s population was already working from home before the Covid-19. More than half of Sweden’s households are occupied by a single person. In contrast, 5% of US people worked from home before Covid-19.
The average household size in the US is 2.63 people.
There has been a 75% reduction in mobility in Stockholm, the capital and most densely populated city. Presumably, this reduction is attributed to a massive reduction in public transportation ridership and foot traffic.
I will judge Sweden's strategy when this is over as firstly they didn't first get the virus until far later and secondly there is still a long eay to go with this virus, and histoy tells us that second and third waves are possible.
It’s not business as usual in Sweden.
From mid April:
Most secondary schools and universities have been closed.
50% drop in use of public transportation ridership
30% drop in auto traffic
70% drop in pedestrian traffic. Brick and mortar businesses are hurting.
90% drop iin business at ski resorts over Easter
Restaurants observing social distancing
Bars doing only table service and the tables observe social distancing
Everyone is encouraged to work from home. 35% of the working population was working from home before the Covid19.
Nursing home visits are banned. Families reporting nursing home employees are not wearing masks or gloves based on Skype observations. Reportedly, 1/3 of deaths are occurring within the nursing home populations.
More than half of households are single occupancy.
The government expects people to behave responsibly and it appears most are doing so.
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Most secondary schools and universities have been closed.
50% drop in use of public transportation ridership
30% drop in auto traffic
70% drop in pedestrian traffic. Brick and mortar businesses are hurting.
90% drop iin business at ski resorts over Easter
Restaurants observing social distancing
Bars doing only table service and the tables observe social distancing
Everyone is encouraged to work from home. 35% of the working population was working from home before the Covid19.
Nursing home visits are banned. Families reporting nursing home employees are not wearing masks or gloves based on Skype observations. Reportedly, 1/3 of deaths are occurring within the nursing home populations.
More than half of households are single occupancy.
The government expects people to behave responsibly and it appears most are doing so.
Seems reasonable to me. So why are primarily Democrat governors insisting on draconian quarantines? Is there a political agenda at play?
Seems reasonable to me. So why are primarily Democrat governors insisting on draconian quarantines? Is there a political agenda at play?
Because Americans don't have the same ideology/philosophy etc. as the Swedes Sweden is much more socially aware....less about individual rights and more about the greater good.
The corner stone of the USA is individual rights. and freedoms and Americans will take big ole guns and protest not being able to buy grass seed during a national emergency to fight for those individual rights.
And it is political.
There were 'red state' governors imposing restrictions and nobody protested -- why? Because the proud boys were about making sure the 'governors' punished were all blue.
Most secondary schools and universities have been closed.
50% drop in use of public transportation ridership
30% drop in auto traffic
70% drop in pedestrian traffic. Brick and mortar businesses are hurting.
90% drop iin business at ski resorts over Easter
Restaurants observing social distancing
Bars doing only table service and the tables observe social distancing
Everyone is encouraged to work from home. 35% of the working population was working from home before the Covid19.
Nursing home visits are banned. Families reporting nursing home employees are not wearing masks or gloves based on Skype observations. Reportedly, 1/3 of deaths are occurring within the nursing home populations.
More than half of households are single occupancy.
The government expects people to behave responsibly and it appears most are doing so.
Yeah, you keep repeating this like it's the exact same strategy the world implemented. It wasn't and isn't. They didn't decimate their economy. They took reasonable actions to protect vulnerable citizens while letting everyone else continue with their lives.
Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 30, 2020
Seems reasonable to me. So why are primarily Democrat governors insisting on draconian quarantines? Is there a political agenda at play?
Which part of "Kingdom of Sweden" do you not understand?
I'm guessing half of "nation-State" would go over your head and the other half would go way way over your head.
It doesn't take a big brain to realize that societal attitudes toward government in a kingdom are vastly different than societal attitudes toward government in a republic and the gulf between a federal republic would be even greater.
Societal attitudes in a nation-State are also vastly different than that of country, like the US.
The US is not now and has never been a nation or a nation-State and never well be.
Well, I shouldn't say "never." Perhaps 12,000 years from, the US might actually have started the process of coalescing into a nation.
Precisely because Sweden is both a kingdom and a nation-State, the government need only merely suggest that people practice social-distancing and stay at home and the people do exactly that.
That does not work in the US. In fact, that was proven. When government suggested that people practice social-distancing and restrict activities to essential functions only, what did Americans do?
They totally blew it off like it was nothing.
The only way to get Americans to take social-distancing seriously and stop spreading the virus around was to close a lot of businesses like bars, restaurants and sporting venues and such.
And it still didn't work. Americans just went other places. So, those had to be closed, too.
Had you ever lived or worked outside the US, you might understand. There's no mobility. I'm not talking about class-mobility.
If you're born in Sweden, where you gonna go? Nowhere. You can't go to Norway, because you don't speak Norwegian.
In the US, you can move 1,000 miles from your place of birth and it's as though nothing happened, because everyone speaks your language, and more importantly, it's the same culture.
There are sociological and psychological implications of that which goes back to the nation-State-kingdom thing.
Yeah, you keep repeating this like it's the exact same strategy the world implemented. It wasn't and isn't. They didn't decimate their economy. They took reasonable actions to protect vulnerable citizens while letting everyone else continue with their lives.
She's right. And like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.
It isn't the number of deaths and it's not an Old Skin disease.
70+% are 18-64. That's your work-force. And focusing inordinately on the number of deaths belies the number of hospitalization plus the number of people who weren't hospitalized but were laid up for 3 days to 3 weeks because of it.
If your work-force is decimated, so too is your economy. Whether your government shuts down the economy or the virus shuts it down for you, the end result is the same.
And if a government-forced shut-down prevents this from lasting 6-12 months, then you're way ahead of the game.
Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 30, 2020
Hahaha! I’m going really be watching for some of the same people praising Sweden in this thread to start blasting it after this tweet.
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