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Nope. Sweden did not salvage their economy. Their economy is as badly damaged as everyone else's. They predict up to 10% decline in GDP for the entire year.
This ^
I do not often agree with Finn_Jarber, but he is correct.
I would add that NOBODY, that is not one nation has found a silver bullet and escaped unscathed by Covid-19. Sure, some have done a bit better than others. Some have taken advantage of geography (New Zealand) or culture (South Korea). Some are just better organized (Germany). And some are blessed by sparse/dispersed populations (Australia, Canada, US to some extent) while others are cursed by dense populations (New York, Netherlands, UK).
But everybody- EVERYBODY- is more or less in the same boat. Nobody has a perfect solution because there is no perfect solution.
Also, what seems to escape people is; the shut downs happened for one reason and one reason only, so the medical system would not be over whelmed. The extent of a shut down, if any, should/is tied to the infection rate, and what the medical system can handle.
That doesn't seem to be at all how we implemented lockdowns. All but a handful of hospitals in this country have been desolate. Not even NYC was what I call "overwhelmed". We sent the 1000-bed USS Comfort there to handle the overload and it was barely used. We built a 500-bed military hospital in Washington and it was eventually dismantled without ever seeing a patient. Same thing in Houston. States panicked in locking things down before hospitals even saw an uptick.
That doesn't seem to be at all how we implemented lockdowns. All but a handful of hospitals in this country have been desolate. Not even NYC was what I call "overwhelmed". We sent the 1000-bed USS Comfort there to handle the overload and it was barely used. We built a 500-bed military hospital in Washington and it was eventually dismantled without ever seeing a patient. Same thing in Houston. States panicked in locking things down before hospitals even saw an uptick.
Is that what you think I said? No, I said they were implemented far too early. Remember, the idea was to not overwhelm hospitals not to ensure the hospitals had nothing to do.
That doesn't seem to be at all how we implemented lockdowns. All but a handful of hospitals in this country have been desolate. Not even NYC was what I call "overwhelmed". We sent the 1000-bed USS Comfort there to handle the overload and it was barely used. We built a 500-bed military hospital in Washington and it was eventually dismantled without ever seeing a patient. Same thing in Houston. States panicked in locking things down before hospitals even saw an uptick.
The USS Comfort was sent to handle cases that weren't COVID related. There weren't many because with self isolation, etc...not as many need for the regular old hospital visits. They had already built and arranged for other facilities to take the over flow for COVID - 19 and yes --- they ended up using the USS Comfort for COVID.
And yes because of social isolation. Because everyone was forced to stay away from crowded places, the need wasn't as great.
That means the social isolation worked....lol
Planning and preparing and being ready to handle a crisis doesn't mean you panicked -- it means you planned, prepared, implemented strategies to mitigate the impact.
You all seem disappointed that the social isolation worked.....
Is that what you think I said? No, I said they were implemented far too early. Remember, the idea was to not overwhelm hospitals not to ensure the hospitals had nothing to do.
The only hospital staff that were laid off or had nothing to do were the elective surgeries. Which was a good thing.
You don't put people into vulnerable situations with surgeries if it isn't necessary.
Your view is simple, myopic, and doesn't look at the big picture.
Yeah, I put on suncreen, never got burnt, therefore didn't need sunscreen.
The overwhelmed hospitals were (possibly) going to happen without a change in the trajectory. Not a model. That's different. You can plot the number of dead or sick in a straight line (log) from the early days until the lock down.
It's not crazy science - ya just draw the line a little farther. And every day - the actual number of dead pretty much hit the straight line. Every day. one day, two days, ten days...never missed. It was looking like - about 20 days out - we are going to have more sick than beds. UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGED. So all the preparations were made in case the change didn't happen. It happened.
There is a never ending flock of people who just think it...changed...all by itself. No intervention whatever. It just....veered off it's line, after a month...for no reason at all...
Best healthcare in the world - France is 1, Italy 2 and Spain 7 - that really helped them didn't it - rankings mean nothing when it comes to Covid
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