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I regret that the best information available ruptures some folks' notion of Sweden as a country that can do no wrong and is populated by Supermen. Sweden is a remarkable place and a success story by most measures.
But they have not found a silver bullet to this insidious virus and it is irresponsible, reckless, and just plain stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not sure who you're referring to about silver bullets or success stories, I was merely talking about a single stat.
That said, you are correct and you brought up another stat, one that is far more interesting imho, deaths per 100K of population. One issue with that stat, that again, when taken alone (no other measures) and compared to other samples, quite a few anomalies appear.
For instance, Belgium has one of, if not THE worst deaths/100K pop ratios, but yet they went into national lockdown a couple of days before even NY did.
Also, Belgium seems to have suffered from poor timing with vacationers (both into and out of Belgium), allowing for a greater concentration of early affected per population.
Also, covid is decidedly an 'old man' killer, the general population of the US skews more female than Sweden at 65+ (i.e. Swedish men live longer). This effect is exemplified by the death ratios for Italy and Spain.
Now of course, trying to generalize on a population as large and geographically diverse as the US vs a significantly smaller area like Sweden would make many serious thinkers dubious of most any direct comparison, but yet here we are.
Which simply takes us back to where we started. There are a bajillion and one stats one can generate from lots of sources. The math behind the stats might be 100% accurate. The brains behind the stats might be Einstein level. However, that doesn't mean that those stats by themselves are accurately portraying what WE THINK they are, and the problem is that many folks simply go into full confirmation bias mode and latch onto any stat that tickles their fancy and supports whatever narrative they've glomed onto.
Sweden has proven that the widespread lockdowns were completely unnecessary.
The U.S. is basically being shutdown in most states because of all the deaths in NYC.
Sweden has proven that the widespread lockdowns were completely unnecessary.
The U.S. is basically being shutdown in most states because of all the deaths in NYC.
No it has not. The death rate is much higher than its peers, Finland and Norway
At this point most of the deaths (2/3) are outside of NYC.
Not exactly, I've posted this previously on a similar topic:
One fact that's often missed is that distancing and other counter-measures not only "flatten the curve", they limit the total size of the epidemic, thereby changing the cumulative number of deaths. And the effect can be pretty drastic:
Actually, your sources support what I have seen elsewhere. If within a specific large population group few measures are taken to flatten the curve, then the overall timeline the virus is a threat is shortened by a good amount. Sweden seems to be the country following that most closely at the moment, and I am curious as to how it will turn out for them in the coming weeks/months. If it works, how many deaths above what other similar population groups are acceptable?
This is important to know IMO, because if this Wuhan Flu does not have an effective vaccination created and available in pretty short order, or exposure to the virus creates a natural long term resistance, then Wuhan Flu could become a seasonal issue to deal with. Some countries and areas may deal with this lock down way of life as the new "normal" longer than others, but for most places people are simply going to get tired of this and outright rebel.
No it has not. The death rate is much higher than its peers, Finland and Norway
At this point most of the deaths (2/3) are outside of NYC.
1/3 of all deaths being in NYC doesn't even jibe with their population.
It's a way of life issue........millions of people packed into a few square miles in high rise apartments and 90% of them using public transportation daily.
Urban lifestyles build a fantastic environment from the virus's point of view.
Sweden has proven that the widespread lockdowns were completely unnecessary.
The U.S. is basically being shutdown in most states because of all the deaths in NYC.
On what do you base this conclusion ??
This morning a European Infectious Disease expert said Sweden was NOT as success as their death rate is higher than the rest of Northern Europe - especially for the older folks.
As for the US, NY is a warning of the killing/disruptive potential of this virus. How can one conclude that the lockdowns are unnecessary ?
In any case the whole locksdown initiative is just a judgement call, a trade-off between saving lives and hurting the economy. By-the-way, there is NO way to tell if being open while cases/deaths are increasing would have any positive effect - would people act normally if millions were dying ?? it's just pure speculation to say they would.
Every time I see our current protestors shoulder to shoulder I understand why we have to mandate responsible behavior.
I don’t think there’s a high percentage of Swedes’ who think this virus is a joke.
Having said that it’s about time to adopt their approach. I’ll only be going to restaurants that impose social distancing. I won’t be going to my favorite bar but others should have that right.
Our current protestors simply want to do what Sweden is doing yet you seem to think Sweden is a model but the protestors are stupid as f--k.
Btw, while the media just loves to show the meatheads with guns standing close together, most of the protestors in Lansing were protesting from their cars.
Last edited by Mr. Joshua; 04-23-2020 at 07:23 AM..
Vast majority of States are planning to start re-opening by April 30 or soon after, so the protesters are protesting only for the sake of protesting.
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