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Since you mention "signage" - the city parks in my area all have signs posted that the park is closed. Does that pass your test?
Yes. A legislative body representing the citizens, have made a city(corporate) ordnance and the Mayor elected by those that consent, agreed and a document representing law, was created.
There is a procedure for creating laws and it does not happen overnight, without public oversight and redress, prior.
Originally Posted by BentBow
Governor's and Mayor's cannot create law.
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81
LMAO. Did you stop reading the Bill of Rights at the Ninth Amendment? Because you've clearly missed the Tenth.
State legislatures and city councils create statutory regulations, they refer to as law of that corporation.
The cheif executive(Governor/mayor) does not make or create law. They can only agree or disagree with the legislative branch, that creates law.
The 10th only refers to what the US Constitution does not substantiate.
The States legislature has created a bill and that bill was signed by the governor at the time.
A governor's or mayor's directive, that is not debated in legislative session, is ONLY policy effecting government employees and officials and not law.
Then you have public accessible, where they have no wall, gate, or fence, no signage.
Governor's and Mayor's cannot create law.
No -but as here in Fl the City or County Councils meet and decided when to open the beach and how- In Sarasota- they decided to open the beach -but NOT the parking lots. They set the rules and how far it needs to go I have no clue, but it's enforced, once they do.
You lived in the mountains- that awesome- but that is not how it is in the city, there are too many people for that... there has to be regulations.
The cheif executive(Governor/mayor) does not make or create law.
You are correct; I misread your post.
However, state legislatures do give the governor powers to act in a public emergency. The governor acts, the legislature - either by action or inaction - agrees, and local jurisdictions come in compliance.
What's your beef then?
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The 10th only refers to what the US Constitution does not substantiate.
Including giving the states the freedom to run their own affairs, and if they so choose, they can a) allow governors to act in emergencies, and b) extend that freedom to local jurisdictions.
No -but as here in Fl the City or County Councils meet and decided when to open the beach and how- In Sarasota- they decided to open the beach -but NOT the parking lots. They set the rules and how far it needs to go I have no clue, but it's enforced, once they do.
You lived in the mountains- that awesome- but that is not how it is in the city, there are too many people for that... there has to be regulations.
Beaches are actually public egress, unless it is a federal military base. All shorelines are. Treated like a street or sidewalk.
However, state legislatures do give the governor powers to act in a public emergency. The governor acts, the legislature - either by action or inaction - agrees, and local jurisdictions come in compliance.
What's your beef then?
Including giving the states the freedom to run their own affairs, and if they so choose, they can a) allow governors to act in emergencies, and b) extend that freedom to local jurisdictions.
Which I believe is what is happening here.
Except USCON: Article 6 Sec. 1, clauses 2 & 3, declares they can, as long as peoples rights are not infringed upon in the process.
• Many stay-at-home orders have been issued in the form of executive orders or proclamations, including Inslee’s, making them different from a typical law that is passed by the legislature and signed by the governor.
• However, experts say executive orders, proclamations, and similar orders carry the same weight as legislature-passed laws, because they have been issued under the authority of existing legislature-passed laws.
What does this mean for the drastic coronavirus responses we’re seeing across the country? State and local governments can indeed decide to force even unwilling businesses to shut down, require people to stay mostly at home, impose curfews and even threaten noncompliance with arrest if necessary. (Thankfully, with COVID-19, we have so far seen mostly peaceful, even if begrudging, compliance to “flatten the curve” so that our health care workers and hospitals are not overwhelmed.) But, you might ask, don’t I have individual rights, even in a pandemic? Of course you do. We possess constitutionally protected rights to assemble and travel, for instance. State and local governments must be careful to make sure that measures they impose to protect people are not overly broad and are taken only for justifiably important reasons.
Well waddya know, there's actually more to the story with the narcissist woman and the playground. She was there as part of a kooky protest and deliberately approached the playground knowing it would create a scene.
What's funny is that whenever there's topics on this forum showing videos of what appears to be harsh physical treatment by police or a shooting resulting in serious injury or death of a person, the know it alls on here would be the first to chime, "b-b-but it's only a short clip, we don't see the whole video and context, we need more information before casting judgement."
Yet, with this video these same people are automatically and quickly siding with her 'heroism.'
Beaches are actually public egress, unless it is a federal military base. All shorelines are. Treated like a street or sidewalk.
And like streets and sidewalks, beaches can be closed in the interest of public safety.
How is closing a park infringing upon anyone's rights? You haven't answered that question yet.
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Well waddya know, there's actually more to the story with the narcissist woman and the playground. She was there as part of a kooky protest and deliberately approached the playground knowing it would create a scene.
Wow - so many willfully ignorant people in one place! The mind boggles. The whole lot of them should have been cited for civil disobedience and/or disturbing the peace.
Kudos to the cop who was talking to the idiots trying to argue with him. He was calm, courteous, and talked only in facts. I doubt I'd have been that patient.
The morons shouting about the right to go to Wal Mart and watch TV - how much do you want to bet they stopped at Wal Mart on the way home to buy junk food, and then spent the evening watching TV.
I think it should be an automatic one year in prison for her.
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